BJs (27-25) vs Marlins (24-28) - June 1-2

johanliebert · Post #61 » by **johanliebert** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 1:45 am

Can’t just send pitchers down cause they had a rough start. He has the tools you can’t win them all.

Post #62 » by **Schad** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:01 am

JaysRule15 wrote:Yeah, even his last start, it seemed like he got lucky when Yankees hitters fouled his mistake pitches rather than crushing them. When he misses, it catches way too much of the plate. I think we rushed him up here at least a few months too early. Would've been nice to see him get more starts in Triple A.

I don't think that he'll be bad overall, just...probably a lesser RHP version of 2021 Robbie Ray. Very good K rate, average-ish walk rate, and a lot of hard contact in between. Definitely has the stuff to be more than that long-term, just a question of whether the majors is the place to refine his secondary stuff and learn how to pitch to spots.

Lateral Quicks · Post #63 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:03 am

johanliebert wrote:Can’t just send pitchers down cause they had a rough start. He has the tools you can’t win them all.

Without a doubt. He's striking out more than one an inning, and a couple of the home runs were kind of flukey - the second barely cleared the fence, and the third was just good hitting moreso than a bad pitch. After that though he definitely fell apart a bit.

Let's see what Walker can do with him. He deserves more than two starts. Besides, we can't forget our alternatives - or lack thereof - right now.

Lateral Quicks · Post #64 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:13 am

BTW, where is Joe Siddall? I'd hate to think he's on a timeout - or worse - for his criticism of Montoyo. I really enjoy him as an analyst.

SharoneWright · Post #65 » by **SharoneWright** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:22 am

Lateral Quicks wrote:BTW, where is Joe Siddall? I'd hate to think he's on a timeout - or worse - for his criticism of Montoyo. I really enjoy him as an analyst.

Ooooh, I missed that. Bullpen management? Too happy to lose?

Post #66 » by **JaysRule15** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:45 am

JaysRule15 wrote:
Lateral Quicks wrote:Getting more than a little frustrated with Bo's two-strike approach... which apparently is to maximize strikeouts.

Yea, I'm not really a fan of Bo's game at the plate. Swinging hard and bat speed doesn't mean as much when you swing out your shoes at everything. He gets the fewest mistake pitches to hit out of any of our hitters because pitchers have realized that they can ahead without throwing anything in the zone. It feels like he's in a 0-2 count every single at-bat after two pitches. Not a recipe for success.

As I was saying, Bo is the best hitter on this team.

TOStateofMind · Post #67 » by **TOStateofMind** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:50 am

nice comeback w!

GoRapstheoriginal · Post #68 » by **GoRapstheoriginal** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:52 am

JAYS WIN! JAYS WIN! WOOHOO! HOORAY!

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GoRapstheoriginal · Post #69 » by **GoRapstheoriginal** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:52 am

TR50 streak continues!

Fairview4Life · Post #70 » by **Fairview4Life** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:54 am

GoRapstheoriginal wrote:TR50 streak continues!

Randle McMurphy · Post #71 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:42 am

JaysRule15 wrote:
JaysRule15 wrote:
Lateral Quicks wrote:Getting more than a little frustrated with Bo's two-strike approach... which apparently is to maximize strikeouts.

Yea, I'm not really a fan of Bo's game at the plate. Swinging hard and bat speed doesn't mean as much when you swing out your shoes at everything. He gets the fewest mistake pitches to hit out of any of our hitters because pitchers have realized that they can ahead without throwing anything in the zone. It feels like he's in a 0-2 count every single at-bat after two pitches. Not a recipe for success.

As I was saying, Bo is the best hitter on this team.

It’s not a great approach but it’s worked for him in the majors since he came up and it’s a pretty large sample size at this point. He’s even on pace for nearly a 5 WAR season this year. Not too worried about him.

vaff87 · Post #72 » by **vaff87** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 4:38 am

So Marcus Semien is third in baseball in fWAR this year, and second since the start of 2019.

TR50 · Post #73 » by **TR50** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 4:59 am

Fairview4Life wrote:
GoRapstheoriginal wrote:TR50 streak continues!

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #74 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 12:38 pm

TR50 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
GoRapstheoriginal wrote:TR50 streak continues!

at this rate, you're good for the rest of the season! 8-)

TR50 · Post #75 » by **TR50** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 2:56 pm

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
TR50 wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:

at this rate, you're good for the rest of the season!

That would be pretty nice (for the Jays), but let's not get too thirsty...one series at a time :wink:

Natural11 · Post #76 » by **Natural11** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:26 pm

Bo will figure it out, but I have to think he is the odd man out to bump down the lineup once Springer comes back.

Semien
Springer
Vladdy
Teoscarnandez
Bo
Grichuk
Gurriel
Biggio
Kirk

I can't wait until we get a few games together with that line-up, regardless of what order it's in.

dagger · Post #77 » by **dagger** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 3:52 pm

Natural11 wrote:Bo will figure it out, but I have to think he is the odd man out to bump down the lineup once Springer comes back.

Semien
Springer
Vladdy
Teoscarnandez
Bo
Grichuk
Gurriel
Biggio
Kirk

I can't wait until we get a few games together with that line-up, regardless of what order it's in.

Nice lineup offensively, but Biggio at 3B defensively? Ugh

Lateral Quicks · Post #78 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 4:39 pm

SharoneWright wrote:
Lateral Quicks wrote:BTW, where is Joe Siddall? I'd hate to think he's on a timeout - or worse - for his criticism of Montoyo. I really enjoy him as an analyst.

Ooooh, I missed that. Bullpen management? Too happy to lose?

He hasn't been holding back at all - not just on Montoyo, but the players when they make bonehead plays. I find it refreshing, and his criticism fair - best studio analyst they've had in years.

More recently, it's been mostly criticism of Montoyo's bullpen management.

Natural11 · Post #79 » by **Natural11** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 5:22 pm

dagger wrote:
Natural11 wrote:Bo will figure it out, but I have to think he is the odd man out to bump down the lineup once Springer comes back.

Semien
Springer
Vladdy
Teoscarnandez
Bo
Grichuk
Gurriel
Biggio
Kirk

I can't wait until we get a few games together with that line-up, regardless of what order it's in.

Nice lineup offensively, but Biggio at 3B defensively? Ugh

Yeah that part is painful and part of me would like to flip him for a Pitcher, but if we don't re-sign or can't afford Semien next year, it would be nice to plug him in back at second. His bat needs work, but with his eye he will be a very good player if he can put it together.

Post #80 » by **JaysRule15** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 6:21 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
JaysRule15 wrote:
JaysRule15 wrote:
Yea, I'm not really a fan of Bo's game at the plate. Swinging hard and bat speed doesn't mean as much when you swing out your shoes at everything. He gets the fewest mistake pitches to hit out of any of our hitters because pitchers have realized that they can ahead without throwing anything in the zone. It feels like he's in a 0-2 count every single at-bat after two pitches. Not a recipe for success.

As I was saying, Bo is the best hitter on this team.

It’s not a great approach but it’s worked for him in the majors since he came up and it’s a pretty large sample size at this point. He’s even on pace for nearly a 5 WAR season this year. Not too worried about him.

For sure, he's had some success with it. I just think that there's another gear for him to reach if he can be a little more selective at the plate. Hopefully that's something that comes with experience.