The Jays need a closer

drew1981 · Post #1 » by **drew1981** » Sun May 23, 2021 12:50 am

Discuss. I would trade any outfielder not named Oscar for a teams set up man if need be

Post #2 » by **Schad** » Sun May 23, 2021 12:59 am

We don't have any outfielders named Oscar. And despite the injuries, we apparently have a lights-out reliever in Chatwood; we're just using him in higher-leverage spots rather than saving him for the ninth.

Also, despite everything, we're top five league-wide in reliever ERA. Our 'pen might consist of hobos and 7/11 clerks at this point, but they're oddly effective.

vaff87 · Post #3 » by **vaff87** » Sun May 23, 2021 1:05 am

Randle McMurphy · Post #4 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun May 23, 2021 1:31 am

Now this is a true RealGM thread.

drew1981 · Post #5 » by **drew1981** » Sun May 23, 2021 1:48 am

Schad wrote:We don't have any outfielders named Oscar. And despite the injuries, we apparently have a lights-out reliever in Chatwood; we're just using him in higher-leverage spots rather than saving him for the ninth.

Also, despite everything, we're top five league-wide in reliever ERA. Our 'pen might consist of hobos and 7/11 clerks at this point, but they're oddly effective.

Sorry lol Tesoscar. Figured you were smart enough to realize

Parataxis · Post #6 » by **Parataxis** » Sun May 23, 2021 3:38 am

drew1981 wrote:Discuss. I would trade any outfielder not named Oscar for a teams set up man if need be

If you'd trade Springer for a set-up man... I just don't know what to tell you.

That's terrible asset management. Like, wow.

vaff87 · Post #7 » by **vaff87** » Sun May 23, 2021 8:01 pm

Do we have to apologize to this guy?

drew1981 · Post #8 » by **drew1981** » Sun May 23, 2021 8:04 pm

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You are totally right I forgot about springer. There straight walks four runs in the inning. They need a closer

dagger · Post #9 » by **dagger** » Mon May 24, 2021 2:20 pm

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You are totally right I forgot about springer. There straight walks four runs in the inning. They need a closer

Four walks is an extreme, even for a team with a weak bullpen. The injuries have added a lot of work on the rest of the pen and pushed some into larger roles. If we had, say, any two of Borucki, Merryweather, Phelps or Dolis in form (not just off the IL), then Bergen is in the minors, and Beasley and Cole never materialized. Merryweather is closing, with Dolis and Romano as right hand setup guys, Phelps does 7th innings, and 8th innings when the staff has been taxed. Chatwood and Borucki are used as required, sometimes in high leverage, and things are great. But to have multiple top pen options out at the same time has had a cascading effect on everyone else. And of course, management did make a bad bet on Kirby Yates, but some of those bets pan out, so you make them to compensate financially for other, larger bets. I'm certainly not giving up good prospects, or solid starters under control, for a closer.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #10 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon May 24, 2021 8:12 pm

vaff87 wrote:Do we have to apologize to this guy?

jays need a new bullpen. not just a closer at this point.

The_Hater · Post #11 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Jun 3, 2021 4:52 pm

The closer label is so 2005 but the 2 players that were initially handed the role, Yates and Merryweather, are kinda out of commission. At that point it’s next man up.

Injuries have decimated a bullpen that has still been surprisingly good this season. I’m not sure what else can be done except be patient for better health and maybe add an arm at the deadline. And believe it or not, the bullpen still ranks 4th in all of MLB. It’s been a strength over the 1st 2 months.

rrdjutriurt · Post #12 » by **rrdjutriurt** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:17 am

Management needs to start taking pitching more serious then hitting. Pitching is by far the most important position in baseball and separates the contenders from the pretenders. With all the hitting the Jays have, we still have trouble being much more then a .500 team. It's pretty clear we have a sub .500 pitching staff pretty much from top to bottom and until that gets fixed, it doesn't matter how much offence we generate.

The_Hater · Post #13 » by **The_Hater** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:43 pm

antonaki1 wrote:Management needs to start taking pitching more serious then hitting. Pitching is by far the most important position in baseball and separates the contenders from the pretenders. With all the hitting the Jays have, we still have trouble being much more then a .500 team. It's pretty clear we have a sub .500 pitching staff pretty much from top to bottom and until that gets fixed, it doesn't matter how much offence we generate.

The Jays are either 5th or 6th in the 14 team AL in just about every meaningful pitching stat so I’m not sure how it’s pretty clear we have sub .500 pitching.

Injuries have decimated the bullpen, but management isn’t ignoring its importance, they’ve brought people in he past few weeks, and the SP has been pretty solid 1-5 the last few weeks.