Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

[ratul]

Lol at the trashing of sanchez. If you have the chance to trade for a 200 hitter when you can sell low, you really have to do it, n'aw mean?

[YelloC]

We’re so stupid.

Am I disabled was the last book shatkins read

For dummies edition.

[Cyrus]

Well wondering why we were so high on Fisher. He was ranked in the top 100 prospects - #83 in Jan 2017

https://climbingtalshill.com/2017/01/29/astros-prospects-five-prospects-make-mlb-top-100/

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Side note we got David Paulino for less... lol

So he's a former top 5 prospect in Houston Astro's organization, could be like Teoscar Hernandes pick up. But also isn't great at making contact, lots of swing and miss and we have tons of those type of guys.

[sule]

toronto sports hasn’t seen a management team this enept since john Ferguson.

If they knew they were going to scorch the earth for as many c- prospects as possible, why squander Sanchez and destroy his value by starting him all this time.

They have done well overall, but there have been a couple of serious "WTF?" moments, and this is one of them.

Good drafters. Terrible valuations of major league players. I'd argue that their severely underwhelming returns over the last couple years will only make it more difficult to return any value in trades down the road. Teams will always point to these firesale years and as precedents for how far they are willing to go.

[phillipmike]

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[Scott Hall]

Majority of our fanbase has Travis Snider disease... think every young player or prospect we have has untapped
potential then they suck then they get moved and people freak out because they think they have real value.

[polo007]

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[SharoneWright]

Welcome to TO, D-Fish!

[LLJ]

Nobody hangs up when Shatkins calls.

[WuTang_CMB]

Ross atkins on tim and sid. Guy just says a lot with very little substance.

Bryan colangelo protege?

[agkagk]

Nobody hangs up when Shatkins calls.

Hello we have an all star level talent available, do you by chance have any pitching prospects ranked 178th or lower? Also we’re dying for 25 year old outfielders who have an outside chance at being the next jake marisnick.

[Schad]

I dont mind getting Fisher at all, i like him very much, its what we had to trade to get him. As many said, if it were one of Biagini, Sanchez or Stevenson for Fisher then i can see the point. 2 for 1, im uncomfortable but still see the point. But 3 for 1, seems like more than they needed to give up and ONLY thing that can save them is Fisher hits out of the gate and becomes a starter for the Jays which is what i think the FO thinks - boy thats a gamble but they have to be sure in their mind to make this deal. This can backfire 3 times.

Yeah, the most likely scenario is that precisely no one in this trade does anything meaningfully positive for the duration of their career, but Fisher/Sanchez are similar as reclamation projects so it seems a bit excessive.

[bluerap23]

They have done well overall, but there have been a couple of serious "WTF?" moments, and this is one of them.

Is there any way this is some sort of quid pro quo with the Astros?

I suspect shad’s assessment was pretty spot on.

In order to ditch sanchez’s Modest arbitration figure next year we had to attach assets to him.

Essentially, houston bent over of socially awkward bean counters.

Couldn’t we just cut Sanchez if this is the case?

[Schad]

Couldn’t we just cut Sanchez if this is the case?

We absolutely could. Think there were some wires crossed from my original post.

Think there's a decent chance that's what would have happened, honestly. It sounds like Sanchez is dead set on starting, and while the Astros might be able to convince him that he doesn't belong in the rotation over Verlander, we'd be harder-pressed to convince him that he should move to the 'pen for...Hector Perez or something, I guess. Even though he should. So we basically gave him away before reaching that fork in the road.

Which still doesn't explain the rest of the trade, but yeah.

[gundysmullet]

Nobody hangs up when Shatkins calls.

Not only that, if they are already on the other line and see that Shatkins is on call waiting, they immediately tell the other caller that they “have to go and take this call”.

[gundysmullet]

Should have kept Sanchez another season to try and re-establish his value. Atkins sold low.

He doesn't have any value. He isn't going to have any significant value in the future. We can almost definitely get him for next to nothing in the offseason, because Houston is highly unlikely to pay his arb figure.

Really, the Sanchez part of this bothers me the least.

But I don’t think you’re getting the point that most people are making, if it comes down to keeping him for another year and then just letting him walk because you don’t want to pay him or trading him with the caveat that you have to attach legitimate prospects because you don’t want to pay him, well then to the overwhelming majority of those with a prefrontal cortex you choose the former rather than the latter.

[Schad]

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But I don’t think you’re getting the point that most people are making, if it comes down to keeping him for another year and then just letting him walk because you don’t want to pay him or trading him with the caveat that you have to attach legitimate prospects because you don’t want to pay him, well then to the overwhelming majority of those with a prefrontal cortex you choose the former rather than the latter.

But we didn't do that. We didn't attach prospects to dump him, because that wasn't a necessary thing to do. We could have just let him walk without paying him.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike the trade, but cheapness isn't one of them. We save like $1.5m or less on the remainder of Sanchez's deal...we've paid $29m to other teams in trade this year in order to better the returns. I doubt money is the reason.

[Lateral Quicks]

I'll reserve judgment on this trade until I learn more about Fisher's ability to knock down the corner 3.

Oh who am I kidding - bizarre trade. Shatkins do know that guys are peaking in their mid to late 20s now, right? This guy is 26 next year and has been overmatched in a half season sample size in the bigs. The odds are very low he ever turns into much.

How many 4th outfielder AAAA types does one organization need?

[gundysmullet]

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I feel like this is literally the exact same propaganda quote that he used for Grichuk.

[gundysmullet]

[q
But I don’t think you’re getting the point that most people are making, if it comes down to keeping him for another year and then just letting him walk because you don’t want to pay him or trading him with the caveat that you have to attach legitimate prospects because you don’t want to pay him, well then to the overwhelming majority of those with a prefrontal cortex you choose the former rather than the latter.

But we didn't do that. We didn't attach prospects to dump him, because that wasn't a necessary thing to do. We could have just let him walk without paying him.

Huh? They attached Stephenson, the prospect. If they didn’t include him to dump Sanchez then they are just extremely bad at trading, which is sort of rhetorical at this point but there fetish for mediocre talent is really weird and unfortunately also detrimental to the rebuild of the team.