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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1161 » by Schad » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:18 am

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Plus he’s been so inconsistent at the plate over the years, sometimes you just have to feel fortunate that you were able to have him for that one big season and somebody else gets to overpay him for all the middling seasons to follow. Somewhere out there JP ricciardi is waiting with a $200 million offer for Semien.


I'd expect that he'll get a LeMahieu offer, in the 5/$90-5/$100 range, which would be good value even with some regression...unless he craters, as LeMahieu has.

Speaking of which: I really wanted LeMahieu. Semien's been many times the player at a lower price. It remains unwise to fire our management team and replace them with Jays board mods.
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1162 » by vaff87 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:22 am

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Plus he’s been so inconsistent at the plate over the years, sometimes you just have to feel fortunate that you were able to have him for that one big season and somebody else gets to overpay him for all the middling seasons to follow. Somewhere out there JP ricciardi is waiting with a $200 million offer for Semien.


I'd expect that he'll get a LeMahieu offer, in the 5/$90-5/$100 range, which would be good value even with some regression...unless he craters, as LeMahieu has.

Speaking of which: I really wanted LeMahieu. Semien's been many times the player at a lower price. It remains unwise to fire our management team and replace them with Jays board mods.


LeMahieu’s power has evaporated. Gone back to his Colorado days where he somehow averaged like 8 HR a year while playing in frigging Coors Field. He’s a singles hitter hitting like .260.

In other news, one of my best friend’s is a Yankees fan. He told me the other day he would take LeMahieu over anyone on the Jays :lol:
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1163 » by Schad » Sun Jun 6, 2021 1:34 am

vaff87 wrote:LeMahieu’s power has evaporated. Gone back to his Colorado days where he somehow averaged like 8 HR a year while playing in frigging Coors Field. He’s a singles hitter hitting like .260.

In other news, one of my best friend’s is a Yankees fan. He told me the other day he would take LeMahieu over anyone on the Jays :lol:


It was a legit question whether his power would be affected more than most because of the nerfing of the ball, given his oppo wall-scrapers. I was the high man on that, because the overall package was good enough that I thought he had a pretty high baseline. I was wrong! I am a bad opinion-haver!
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1164 » by The_Hater » Sun Jun 6, 2021 2:00 am

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The_Hater wrote:
Plus he’s been so inconsistent at the plate over the years, sometimes you just have to feel fortunate that you were able to have him for that one big season and somebody else gets to overpay him for all the middling seasons to follow. Somewhere out there JP ricciardi is waiting with a $200 million offer for Semien.


I'd expect that he'll get a LeMahieu offer, in the 5/$90-5/$100 range, which would be good value even with some regression...unless he craters, as LeMahieu has.

Speaking of which: I really wanted LeMahieu. Semien's been many times the player at a lower price. It remains unwise to fire our management team and replace them with Jays board mods.


LeMahieu’s power has evaporated. Gone back to his Colorado days where he somehow averaged like 8 HR a year while playing in frigging Coors Field. He’s a singles hitter hitting like .260.

In other news, one of my best friend’s is a Yankees fan. He told me the other day he would take LeMahieu over anyone on the Jays :lol:


What did he say when you brought up Vlade’s name?
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1165 » by vaff87 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 2:42 am

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vaff87 wrote:
Schad wrote:
I'd expect that he'll get a LeMahieu offer, in the 5/$90-5/$100 range, which would be good value even with some regression...unless he craters, as LeMahieu has.

Speaking of which: I really wanted LeMahieu. Semien's been many times the player at a lower price. It remains unwise to fire our management team and replace them with Jays board mods.


LeMahieu’s power has evaporated. Gone back to his Colorado days where he somehow averaged like 8 HR a year while playing in frigging Coors Field. He’s a singles hitter hitting like .260.

In other news, one of my best friend’s is a Yankees fan. He told me the other day he would take LeMahieu over anyone on the Jays :lol:


What did he say when you brought up Vlade’s name?


Said he hasn’t proven himself in the MLB. Said he’s only had a good two months, and will probably never have a season like LeMahieu did last year. When I pointed out that Vladdy has played more games this year than LeMahieu did last year, and has been way better.
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1166 » by Parataxis » Sun Jun 6, 2021 3:17 am

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Parataxis wrote:Is Semien QO eligible in the offseason?


Yep. We'll certainly QO him, and he'll definitely turn it down.

I'm sure we'll attempt to re-sign him, but there's probably a price point where we're better off taking the pick and going after pitching.


Yup, absolutely. Would be great to have him for a couple more years, but it's nice to know that we'll get a pick if he leaves.
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Post#1170 » by Raider917 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:54 pm

what kind of bullpen help can the jays trade for? it cant be that expensive to get relievers. i wouldnt expect it to cost a moreno or SWR.
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1172 » by The_Hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:40 am

What in want to know is if Matz has had both shots.
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1173 » by The_Hater » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:42 am

Raider917 wrote:what kind of bullpen help can the jays trade for? it cant be that expensive to get relievers. i wouldnt expect it to cost a moreno or SWR.


Sometimes you can pick up guys who play great for you on waivers or overlooked guys for low end prospects. No need to go after expensive, big names.

But just getting healthy will fix 80-90% of the problems.
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Post#1175 » by guvernator » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:09 am

How about trading semien (plus extra) back to the As for chapman? Then move Biggio back to 2B and it solves all their defensive problems.
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Post#1179 » by polo007 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:06 am

Evaluating trade options for struggling but talented Blue Jays team - Sportsnet.ca

But counting on that kind of resurgence from a pitcher who’s averaging one home run allowed for every nine hitters he faces is beyond dangerous, which is why the Blue Jays are also exploring the market for higher-tier relievers. From the outside looking in, Richard Rodriguez of the Pirates, Paul Fry of the Orioles, Kendall Graveman of the Mariners, Ian Kennedy of the Rangers and Ross Detwiler of the Marlins would all appear to be upgrades.

Yet non-contending teams have so far maintained high asking prices for the veteran relievers on their rosters, according to sources. And until the July 31 deadline draws closer, there’s little reason for them to move off that stance. With that in mind, bounce-back candidates like Barnes and internal options like Patrick Murphy and Tayler Saucedo are the ones getting chances for now.

Eventually, it’s the job of the front office to make the most of this promising young core, high asking prices or not. Ultimately the goal is winning playoff berths and championships – not coming out ahead in every last trade.


But even if other teams might ask about Jordan Groshans or Nate Pearson, that doesn’t mean the Blue Jays will have to overpay. In fact, their own recent history at the deadline suggests veteran relievers should eventually be available for more modest prospect returns.

Consider the following trades, which included fringe pitching prospects performing well at the upper minors, low-level fliers and, in Forrest Wall, a former top prospect who had fallen on hard times…

• Joe Smith, 2017 – for Thomas Pannone, AA starter; Samad Taylor, rookie ball infielder
• Aaron Loup, 2018 – for Jacob Waguespack, AAA starter
• John Axford, 2018 – for Corey Copping, AAA reliever
• Seunghwan Oh, 2018 – for Forrest Wall, AA outfielder; Chad Spanberger Class A first baseman
• David Phelps, 2019 – for Thomas Hatch, AA starter
• Daniel Hudson, 2019 – for Kyle Johnston, A+ starter

If those trades hint at what’s to come, the Blue Jays won’t need to part with their top-rated prospects to add veterans to the bullpen. Applying that same logic to the Blue Jays’ current system, triple-A players like Zach Logue, Kevin Smith and Logan Warmoth appear to be more reasonable trade targets for non-contenders in the weeks ahead.

Yet regardless of what happens in the bullpen, there are other needs to consider in the weeks ahead. The starting pitching market currently looks weak, and as long as the Blue Jays hover near the .500 mark, it’s hard to see them parting with top prospects for rentals there, either.
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Re: General Blue Jays Thread, 2020 

Post#1180 » by polo007 » Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:35 pm

Atkins: Blue Jays ‘focused on’ bullpen help in trade market - Sportsnet.ca

The recent struggles of the Blue Jays’ bullpen have made relief pitchers the team’s top priority in the trade market.

“It’s what we’re focused on,” GM Ross Atkins told reporters via Zoom Sunday morning. “We’ll continue working on that.”

While the Blue Jays have yet to make a major move on that front, Atkins said he expects there will be opportunities there. Recently-acquired reliever Jacob Barnes is expected to join the Blue Jays in Miami next week, but the search for further arms continues in discussions with rival teams.

Beyond the bullpen, the Blue Jays are also in the market for rotation upgrades as the July 31 trade deadline approaches.
However, there will be lots of demand for those pitchers and at this point there don’t appear to be many of them available.

“We’ll be open to starting pitching as well,” Atkins said. “As you’re probably aware there’s not a ton of it on the market.”

Meanwhile, George Springer will continue his rehab assignment at triple-A Sunday and if all goes well, Atkins said the Blue Jays could look to add him to the big-league roster this coming week.

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