Anaheim vs. Dunedin (April 8-11)

Post #141 » by **JaysRule25** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:11 am

Man this is so frustrating. But kinda have to live with it when you got a team full of young players. The problem with giving Semien SS this year instead of Bo is that you take away a year of development for Bo at SS in favor of a guy like Semien who might not be here next year.

Gotta balance winning with development.

Randle McMurphy · Post #142 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:13 am

JaysRule15 wrote:Man this is so frustrating. But kinda have to live with it when you got a team full of young players. The problem with giving Semien SS this year instead of Bo is that you take away a year of development for Bo at SS in favor of a guy like Semien who might not be here next year.

Gotta balance winning with development.

They’re going to sign one of those shortstops next year anyway. I get that they want Bo to prove that he’s not up to the task before going to those lengths (he’s doing a pretty good job of it by bobbling mutltiple basic ground balls in the first week of the season), but just make the move and don’t look back. You’re either in it to win this year or you’re not.

Post #143 » by **Schad** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:14 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:If the team cares about winning games this year, they should play the guy who graded out in those same years as a significantly above average defensive SS. Seems simple enough to me.

It might almost be like we're a young team whose aspirations are mostly long-term that also has a chance to compete in the present.

Randle McMurphy · Post #144 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:15 am

Schad wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:If the team cares about winning games this year, they should play the guy who graded out in those same years as a significantly above average defensive SS. Seems simple enough to me.

It might almost be like we're a young team whose aspirations are mostly long-term that also have a chance to compete in the present.

Wasting a year of Ryu and Springer while they are still elite so we can wait and see if Bichette stops making colossally dumb errors every few games seems like an especially bad idea.

Post #145 » by **Schad** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:26 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Wasting a year of Ryu and Springer while they are still elite so we can wait and see if Bichette stops making colossally dumb errors every few games seems like an especially bad idea.

Yeah, that's why I was pretty iffy on signing Springer. We aren't likely to will ourselves to an elite team in a single season, and swapping Semien/Bichette isn't going to make a substantive difference there.

Lateral Quicks · Post #146 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:31 am

Biggio may set the single-season record for most called third strikes.

I get he has an elite eye and all, but until we have robot umps, the man needs to swing at borderline pitches.

Lateral Quicks · Post #147 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:33 am

The fan who caught the Ohtani home run may be a better defender than half our regulars.

Post #148 » by **JaysRule25** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:36 am

Well, it's not solely Bo's fault we lost the game.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #149 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:38 am

Schad wrote:
I_Like_Dirt wrote:Who's overreacting exactly? I'd suggest expecting things to go as expected is also a rather dangerous bet in baseball.

But to date, we have little information to suggest how it might deviate from what would be expected. The best offense in baseball belongs to the Reds, who have six regulars featuring an OPS above 1.000. 27th-best offense in baseball last year with much the same cast. Are the Reds a good offensive team? It's possible, they have some players who have been good offensive players in the past. Are they an elite offensive team? Probably not. Does it owe to a coaching change? Nope, same hitting coach. Is Luis Castillo, who has gotten shelled twice, the weak link in their rotation (which consists of an absolutely splendid Remember Some Guys grouping of Wade Miley, Jeff Hoffman, Tyler Mahle and Jose de Leon)? I'm pretty confident that he is not.

Weird things happen in week long samples. That doesn't mean that things will always go as expected, but 4% of the season just isn't going to tell you much of anything meaningful about the other 96%.

I mean, last season wasn't exactly a normal season, either. And this season in Dunedin won't be. Vlad could return to normal and it could be that Biggio batting sub .250 for his career winds up being him overachieving a bit and Bo could continue refusing to draw walks. Kirk could easily follow in the path of Jansen and Mcguire, coming in and hitting the leather off the ball at first before watching his ability vanish.

I don't see a whole lot of evidence to suggest we should assume anything in particular, good or bad, as a default in this case. I don't expect it to be this bad all season long but I'm also skeptical of any specific definition of what normal mighr actually be. In the case of pitching, for example, it wouldn't have been hard for them to have been underrated, and the bats could have easily been overrated.

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johanliebert · Post #150 » by **johanliebert** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:42 am

JaysRule15 wrote:Man this is so frustrating. But kinda have to live with it when you got a team full of young players. The problem with giving Semien SS this year instead of Bo is that you take away a year of development for Bo at SS in favor of a guy like Semien who might not be here next year.

Gotta balance winning with development.

Bro you don’t develop your fielding in the bigs. You have the off season for that otherwise it’s show and prove.

SharoneWright · Post #151 » by **SharoneWright** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:44 am

I'm by and large a Bo believer, even at SS, I just mostly get aggravated by "non-clutch" plays.
Anywhooo,,,, seems that forever the Jays have had SS's in the pipeline who can actually never hold down the spot. Since the days of Aaron Hill....
Even now,,, Bo could end up moving. We know Groshans is a 3B. Martin will be CF most likely. Eggs all-in the Orelvis Martinez basket!!!

johanliebert · Post #152 » by **johanliebert** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:44 am

The sabrametricians upstairs tried their best to protect zeuch lol.

What does it do for a pitchers confidence when a game plan like this is used? The nerds are just micromanaging games

I_Like_Dirt · Post #153 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:48 am

SharoneWright wrote:I'm by and large a Bo believer, even at SS, I just mostly get aggravated by "non-clutch" plays.
Anywhooo, seems like since forever the Jays have had SS's in the pipeline who can actually never hold down the spot. Since the days of Aaron Hill....
Even now,,, Bo could end up moving. We know Groshans is a 3B. Martin will be CF most likely. Eggs all-in the Orelvis Martinez basket!!!

Martinez isn't an SS. He's more of a 3B or 2B, I think. Bichette is honestly decent at SS. The only real issue is having someone else who is better than decent on the roster. I don't actually think it matters much right now.

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Hottie McShotty · Post #154 » by **Hottie McShotty** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:51 am

Man Ohtani is unreal..

Wo1verine · Post #155 » by **Wo1verine** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:53 am

8 games in i’d overreact and fire the hitting coach.

Majority of pitchers we play seems like Cole out there lol

SharoneWright · Post #156 » by **SharoneWright** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:54 am

johanliebert wrote:The sabrametricians upstairs tried their best to protect zeuch lol.

What does it do for a pitchers confidence when a game plan like this is used? The nerds are just micromanaging games

Dam straight. He was fantastic game 1. And we knock him down a peg in game 2???? Now Bo feels crap, TJ feels crap, Grichuk sits, Jansen's been pinch hit for like about 10,00 times,,, everyone is being 2nd guessed,, and some guys for no fault of their own. We have a good team. Just play it straight Charlie.

Fairview4Life · Post #157 » by **Fairview4Life** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 12:56 am

If the men making millions of dollars playing professional baseball have their feelings hurt by not technically starting a game to the point where they start giving up lots of runs, they can go right ahead and **** off.

SharoneWright · Post #158 » by **SharoneWright** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:00 am

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:I'm by and large a Bo believer, even at SS, I just mostly get aggravated by "non-clutch" plays.
Anywhooo, seems like since forever the Jays have had SS's in the pipeline who can actually never hold down the spot. Since the days of Aaron Hill....
Even now,,, Bo could end up moving. We know Groshans is a 3B. Martin will be CF most likely. Eggs all-in the Orelvis Martinez basket!!!
Martinez isn't an SS. He's more of a 3B or 2B, I think. Bichette is honestly decent at SS. The only real issue is having someone else who is better than decent on the roster. I don't actually think it matters much right now.

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That's kind my point/joke. I'm sure in 2 years, we will be projecting the son of Russ Adams... Anyway, for now I'm with Orelvis!!

SharoneWright · Post #159 » by **SharoneWright** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:04 am

Fairview4Life wrote:If the men making millions of dollars playing professional baseball have their feelings hurt by not technically starting a game to the point where they start giving up lots of runs, they can go right ahead and **** off.

Kind of crusty here, F4L. You back the Phelps as opener/Zeuck strategy?

Could have worked, I guess, if not for the Bichette error.... Maybe we do it again in 5 days.

Fairview4Life · Post #160 » by **Fairview4Life** » Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:05 am

SharoneWright wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:If the men making millions of dollars playing professional baseball have their feelings hurt by not technically starting a game to the point where they start giving up lots of runs, they can go right ahead and **** off.

Kind of crusty here, F4L. You back the Phelps as opener/Zeuck strategy?

Could have worked, I guess, if not for the Bichette error....

I don't back Zeuch throwing 30 balls out of 75 pitches.