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Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal)

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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#141 » by JaysRule15 » Thu Apr 10, 2025 6:27 pm

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JaysRule15 wrote:He basically got everything he wanted in this deal. Most of the money in signing bonuses. Full no-trade. There was no hometown discount here. He got more than market value. No other team was giving him $500 million this offseason. I just hope put up some decent seasons back to back and end this trend of a good year followed by some down years.


This happens when you have all the leverage in the world.

FO already admitted they went over what they were comfortable with on the initial offer and then they went even further to get the deal done, so much for staying disciplined.

I'm not seeing where this leverage was at all. He's the guy who had to prove he could repeat an elite season and the Jays certainly did not have to give him this ridiculous deal before he did (they also had no interest in doing so only a month ago). The far better baseball move would have been to trade him this year and then try to sign him in the offseason for less.

My guess is Ed Rogers effectively stepped in and got the deal done himself.


I think a weak FA class this offseason compared with the frenzy last year probably led to fears that some team was going to jump in and offer a crazy amount for Vlad. Especially if he was able to come close to what he did last season. There's also this belief that the previous offseason with Soto raised the floor and ceiling for young talent hitting free agency. Not to mention with the CBA coming up for renewal, maybe some big market teams are fearing additional penalties for these mega deals, so they would rush to do those deals this year and offseason before the rules might change. So he had some leverage, but I don't think it was enough to pressure a deal of this magnitude. At most, I think he would've gotten $450 in free agency. Most likely closer to $400 million.
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#142 » by PushDaRock » Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:13 pm

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JaysRule15 wrote:He basically got everything he wanted in this deal. Most of the money in signing bonuses. Full no-trade. There was no hometown discount here. He got more than market value. No other team was giving him $500 million this offseason. I just hope put up some decent seasons back to back and end this trend of a good year followed by some down years.

I saw no reason why this organization could not wait until next off-season to get a deal done with Vlad. If Vlad had a 2025 that was similar to 2023, he would have been lucky to get the original reported 10 year 340 million offer the Jays made to him last off-season. No team in free agency would have handed him close to the 500 million over 14 years he signed for.

It was no hometown discount, and more than market value for a guy coming off one very good year after two underwhelming contracts. I am now more inclined to believe maybe Ed Rogers is the one who stepped in and told Shapiro/Atkins to give Vlad what he wanted. Maybe Rogers was so desperate for good publicity that they foolishly made this move, thinking it would help with the ticket sales and end the bad press to lock up Vlad for 14 years.


This is 100% what happened. Ross said in ST when the first deadline to sign Vlad had passed, that they had made him a very competitive offer already that would've made him one of the highest paid players in the game. Clearly they had a valuation at that time they didn't want to jump past. I believe that amount was likely around $400 million, which still would've been significant but at least more closer to market. But I think once that negotiation broke down and Vlad started doing the rounds in the media about talking to all the teams and even being open to the Yankees, Ed Rogers got spooked and decided to throw more money at it.


If he repeated last year, I think 500m as a minimum is a pretty safe bet. An MVP level season and he would definitely be over 600m. If he ends up going back to a .800 ops hitter, he's probably still getting at least 300m with opt outs, something likely around 35m+ AAV on shorter term that he can get out of to still parlay for a bigger payday
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#143 » by PushDaRock » Thu Apr 10, 2025 8:14 pm

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JaysRule15 wrote:He basically got everything he wanted in this deal. Most of the money in signing bonuses. Full no-trade. There was no hometown discount here. He got more than market value. No other team was giving him $500 million this offseason. I just hope put up some decent seasons back to back and end this trend of a good year followed by some down years.


This happens when you have all the leverage in the world.

FO already admitted they went over what they were comfortable with on the initial offer and then they went even further to get the deal done, so much for staying disciplined.

I'm not seeing where this leverage was at all. He's the guy who had to prove he could repeat an elite season and the Jays certainly did not have to give him this ridiculous deal before he did (they also had no interest in doing so only a month ago). The far better baseball move would have been to trade him this year and then try to sign him in the offseason for less.

My guess is Ed Rogers effectively stepped in and got the deal done himself.


The leverage was FA and leaving the Jays with nothing, seemed like it worked to me.
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#144 » by Cyrus » Fri Apr 11, 2025 8:44 pm

On the plus side, they probably have zero dollars to offer varsho an extension. No need to give him that miles straw contract or more, and then hoping 2 or 3 years down the line we can trade him with some international money to some sucker :wink:
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#145 » by JaysRule15 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 3:48 pm

Vlad contract extension press conference today at 1pm.
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Post#146 » by Boogie! » Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:54 pm

He speaks English!
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#147 » by JaysRule15 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 10:47 pm

Boogie! wrote:He speaks English!


He's had for a while. He only stopped talking in English to the media because Arash Madani twisted what he said a few years in an interview.
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#148 » by Boogie! » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:00 pm

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Boogie! wrote:He speaks English!


He's had for a while. He only stopped talking in English to the media because Arash Madani twisted what he said a few years in an interview.


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mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#149 » by JaysRule15 » Mon Apr 14, 2025 11:19 pm

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Boogie! wrote:He speaks English!


He's had for a while. He only stopped talking in English to the media because Arash Madani twisted what he said a few years in an interview.


What was said


Vladdy Jr: "I understand English and I speak it, but not how I speak Spanish. I prefer to give interviews in Spanish because on one occasion I said that I did not do a gym in the offseason and the information that came out in the media was that I said I had never done a gym".
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Re: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.'s Contract Status (Update: Blue Jays sign Vlad to 14-year, $500 million deal) 

Post#150 » by Morris_Shatford » Mon Apr 21, 2025 6:28 pm

Upside;
Its not 10/500
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