Jays 2024 Trade Deadline Thread

[Randle McMurphy]

I'm not sure Gausman or Bassitt would have that much value right now, unless the Jays are eating part of the 2025 contract.

Teams are probably leery of picking up a $21 or $25m contract in 2025 for a mid 30's pitcher who has just been decent this year. (around 100 ERA+). They would prefer the offseason cap flex.

We could get more for them next year if they pitch a tad better in 2025.

Maybe I'm wrong in my assessment, but either way I don't think the management team has any interest in trading OK players on the current team that are not expiring (like Gasuman, Bassitt, Berrios). They should consider it or do it, but I assume they are much more interested in a flawed re-tool attempt in 2025.

Given what Gausman has looked like this year, there aren’t gonna be a lot of teams willing to take on his contract (and certainly not very many willing to give a good prospect for him).

[JN]

I would even float out Gausman, along with Bassitt, IKF, and Green. I never expected this type of return for Kikuchi. Maybe the Astros front office ignored how terrible Kikuchi has been in 7 out of his last 8 Starts. Total fleece job for Kikuchi, who was going to walk at the end of the year.

I can see the argument for keeping Green, but there is no need to keep IKF. So sell high there.

With the great season Green is having, his value is higher than ever. He is also owed 10.5 million next year, and given his injury history, now is the perfect time to deal him with the supposed interest out there for him.

I agree the time to trade him is now, but I doubt Shatkins is looking to deal players that could be decent in 2025 like Green or IKF. Keep that re-tool alive in their minds. I certainly don't agree with that strategy, but I'm fairly certain that is what they are thinking.

[SharoneWright]

Watch on YouTube

[Randle McMurphy]

Watch on YouTube

They don’t realize that Pearson is just terrible and has no idea what he’s doing on a mound.

[JN]

I'm not sure Gausman or Bassitt would have that much value right now, unless the Jays are eating part of the 2025 contract.

Teams are probably leery of picking up a $21 or $25m contract in 2025 for a mid 30's pitcher who has just been decent this year. (around 100 ERA+). They would prefer the offseason cap flex.

We could get more for them next year if they pitch a tad better in 2025.

Maybe I'm wrong in my assessment, but either way I don't think the management team has any interest in trading OK players on the current team that are not expiring (like Gasuman, Bassitt, Berrios). They should consider it or do it, but I assume they are much more interested in a flawed re-tool attempt in 2025.

Given what Gausman has looked like this year, there aren’t gonna be a lot of teams willing to take on his contract (and certainly not very many willing to give a good prospect for him).

I agree.

If the Jays weren't fascinated with a re-tool in 2025 (convince me otherwise), I think the optimat trading strategy would be the following:

#1) Strongly Consider Moving Now as they could be near "peak value" - Green, IKF. Even Vlad (reluctantly if the package is great)

#2) Move in 2025 (hope they pitch better) as their value is limited right now. Can also eat their contracts in trades in 2025 which might help get better value - Gausman, Bassitt. Its possible they both suck and you are getting little for them in 2025, but they are not getting much in July 2024.

[Randle McMurphy]

Read on Twitter

Make him the cleanup hitter tomorrow

[SharoneWright]

Schneider had permission to throw Green out there tonight….

[Jerry Lucas]

2 of the 3 players Jays got in the Kikuchi trade were James Click draft picks with the Astros. Might be Click who is driving the bus now.

[Cyrus]

Let's not forget Loperfido also has the catch of the year.

Read on Twitter

Atkins just did the unthinkable.
I'm getting off the #FireAtkins train for now.

Let's not get too carried away here lol

Bruh you're literally the only person hating on this trade (aside from Astros fans).
Not a good look.

Dude I'm not hating on the deal, all I said was I don't think Bloss was enough, and sure enough, they got more.

My comment was to you thinking this deal somehow saved Atkins...

[Cyrus]

Loperfido and Wagner are 25-year-olds playing in the PCL, where offensive numbers get inflated - so we'll see how they fare in the majors. Bloss looks like a solid pickup - looks like a back end starter to me, but those are valuable.

And it seems Wagner is rule 5 eligible, so it seems Astros weren't going to protect him next year so it doesn't seem a huge loss to them, so he'll be either be on our rule 5 protection or will expose him as well.

The left-handed hitting Wagner is old for the level — today is his 26th birthday — but he has little more to prove in the minors. He has divided his time between first, second and third base this year. He’d be eligible for the Rule 5 draft this winter if not selected onto the 40-man roster but could get a look in Toronto before the end of this season

Doesn't say anything about Loperfido if he's Rule 5, my guess he isn't for next year, but the following year?

If anything between him now, Leo Jiminez, Spencer, etc. having a bunch of versatile infield options, they really should be looking to move IKF, don't see any reason to keep him with cheaper options on the team and potentially giving Wagner a shot as well.

[WuTang_CMB]

I find it funny of all these trades for Loperfido that were meant for Vlad lol

Read on Twitter

[-MetA4-]

Dude I'm not hating on the deal, all I said was I don't think Bloss was enough, and sure enough, they got more.

Bloss alone would be more than justifiable.

Again, you are underrating him. Just so you know, BA currently ranks him #2 out of ALL prospects traded so far at this deadline.

[Cyrus]

Dude I'm not hating on the deal, all I said was I don't think Bloss was enough, and sure enough, they got more.

Bloss alone would be more than justifiable.

Again, you are underrating him. Just so you know, BA currently ranks him #2 out of ALL prospects traded so far at this deadline.

BA also projects him to be a back-end starter, while its fan graphs projects he could be mid-rotation. Yeah i could be under-rating him for sure, but I haven't seen a pitcher come up and give up 1 hr every 2 innings in the short sample (only pitched 11 innings but 5 hr?).

Clearly he isn't ready right now, and was forced to start for paper thin astros, hopefully starting him early doesn't have any psychological/confidence issues being tagged like that.

I mean in the end getting 5-6 years control for 2 months of Kooch, even if he's 5th starter is tidy business, considering we don't have any pitching prospects coming in the next year or two (Starters).

[WuTang_CMB]

Read on Twitter

[Parataxis]

Dear holy mother of Satan...they included Joey and Wagner too?

I'm officially confused now...

When you hear "Kikuchi for Bloss, but there's going to me more players added" the assumption had to be that it was something like Richards being added going away. Not that Houston was adding more value.

Just amazing. Atkins still needs to get spitcanned, but this is an inarguably great trade.

[Randle McMurphy]

Imagine hating Ross so much that you can’t even admit this was a fleecing for 2 months of Kikuchi, couldn’t be me

[Randle McMurphy]

Read on Twitter

lol pricey

[WuTang_CMB]

Read on Twitter

lol pricey

Read on Twitter

[Randle McMurphy]

Read on Twitter

lol pricey

Read on Twitter

The Jays are insane if they aren’t trading Bassitt in this market then.

[WuTang_CMB]

lol pricey

Read on Twitter

The Jays are insane if they aren’t trading Bassitt in this market then.

Easily. Sellers market. Time to exploit. Gausman too