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Re: Varsho/Moreno Discussion Thread 

Post#1741 » by PowerPlant1 » Tue May 27, 2025 10:49 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:Varsho's ISO (.390) so far this season would rank 1st for any qualified hitter in baseball history, above Babe Ruth (.348), Josh Gibson (.346), Mark McGwire (.325), Aaron Judge (.319), and Barry Bonds (.309). True power.


Are you comparing a 75 AB streak to the career #s of these players? How many players have ISOs better than Varsho in a 75 AB sample size? I'd venture to say at least all of the players you mentioned + more. Do you understand the difference between a portion of 1 season and career #s (you know careers, comprised of seasons of highs and lows)? It's not even apples to oranges. It's apple seeds to apples.

What's Varsho's ISO for 2023 and 2024? I'd venture to guess it's bad, really bad.

Also, ISO is a convenient stat as it measures power relative to batting average and is likely higher for lower batting averages in which power is the main component of a player's output. Conclusion: Varsho is on a power streak. 2nd conclusion: I ain't buying what you're selling.
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Re: Varsho/Moreno Discussion Thread 

Post#1742 » by Duffman100 » Wed May 28, 2025 1:19 am

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Randle McMurphy wrote:Varsho's ISO (.390) so far this season would rank 1st for any qualified hitter in baseball history, above Babe Ruth (.348), Josh Gibson (.346), Mark McGwire (.325), Aaron Judge (.319), and Barry Bonds (.309). True power.


Are you comparing a 75 AB streak to the career #s of these players? How many players have ISOs better than Varsho in a 75 AB sample size? I'd venture to say at least all of the players you mentioned + more. Do you understand the difference between a portion of 1 season and career #s (you know careers, comprised of seasons of highs and lows)? It's not even apples to oranges. It's apple seeds to apples.

What's Varsho's ISO for 2023 and 2024? I'd venture to guess it's bad, really bad.

Also, ISO is a convenient stat as it measures power relative to batting average and is likely higher for lower batting averages in which power is the main component of a player's output. Conclusion: Varsho is on a power streak. 2nd conclusion: I ain't buying what you're selling.


I'm starting to think Randle is in fact Dalton Varsho. :lol:
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Post#1743 » by anj » Wed May 28, 2025 8:44 pm

When will we finally take this thread behind the barn?
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Re: Varsho/Moreno Discussion Thread 

Post#1744 » by Randle McMurphy » Wed May 28, 2025 9:13 pm

anj wrote:When will we finally take this thread behind the barn?

You really want all the people trashing Daulton Varsho (despite being the best player on the team over the past calendar year) infecting all the other threads instead?
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Post#1745 » by Randle McMurphy » Wed May 28, 2025 9:16 pm

PowerPlant1 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Varsho's ISO (.390) so far this season would rank 1st for any qualified hitter in baseball history, above Babe Ruth (.348), Josh Gibson (.346), Mark McGwire (.325), Aaron Judge (.319), and Barry Bonds (.309). True power.


Are you comparing a 75 AB streak to the career #s of these players?

Of course. The point of the comparison was to show how good he's been offensively thus far this year despite his batting average, which, I think, that does rather effectively.
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Post#1746 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri May 30, 2025 9:59 pm

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Post#1747 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat May 31, 2025 6:07 pm

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Post#1748 » by brwnman » Sat May 31, 2025 8:33 pm

s e n s i wrote:the best defender in baseball on any given day who is also about to mash 30 bombs and we still have folks here — in the year 2025 — glazing gabbie moreno. make it make sense.


Lol 30 homers. Never done it in his career and we can just expect that? Clown.

And you think BA/OBP means nothing? There are advanced stats but it doesn’t mean traditional stats don’t mean anything. Being on base an extra 60 times means something. Straight clown behaviour.
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Post#1749 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat May 31, 2025 8:52 pm

I’m sure some here will be loving that injury our best player got today.
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Post#1750 » by bluerap23 » Sat May 31, 2025 8:56 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:I’m sure some here will be loving that injury our best player got today.


I'm sure not a single person on this forum thinks that way except you.
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Post#1751 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat May 31, 2025 9:02 pm

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Randle McMurphy wrote:I’m sure some here will be loving that injury our best player got today.


I'm sure not a single person on this forum thinks that way except you.

Yes, because I’m totally the one who has been actively rooting against some of this team’s best players for years now in this thread.
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Post#1752 » by brwnman » Sat May 31, 2025 10:54 pm

Preposterous. I can only think of one player that would be happy if Vlad got injured.
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Post#1753 » by Mehar » Sat May 31, 2025 11:19 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:I’m sure some here will be loving that injury our best player got today.


I'm sure not a single person on this forum thinks that way except you.

Yes, because I’m totally the one who has been actively rooting against some of this team’s best players for years now in this thread.


Only a sick and demented person would wish injury on anybody, and who would think people would enjoy anybody getting hurt. These are human beings at the end of the day, and it goes beyond sport. I can guarantee you nobody is happy that Varsho is hurt. That includes me, since I suffered a serious hamstring injury when I was in university and I do not wish it on nobody. The only person who was actively rooting against any players was "You". Look back at your posts from the 2023 season, and especially the Playoffs where you continuously trashed and downplayed the achievements of both Gurriel (who was an all-star in 2023) and Moreno (who won the Gold Glove, looked like Barry Bonds in the Playoffs, and was Number 1 in Defensive War as a Rookie). Same thing last year when you called Moreno a Scrub and "light-hitting" Fraud, and Gurriel's game overrated countless times (even though they had better hitting seasons than the guys you love Kirk and Varsho in both 2023 and 2024). It is not rooting against Varsho, when you point out that he was horrific offensively in 2023 (Atrocious OPS of .674 which even light-hitting Moreno surpassed). Varsho was one of the worst hitting everyday MLB players in 2023. Same thing in 2024, when he was hitting below .200 for 5 months after his hot start, while in May of last year you were making your All-Star projections for him in 2024.

It is not rooting against someone when you point out the facts, and how Varsho's terrible On Base/Batting Average for the past two years takes away from his great defensive abilities. It was not only me, but reputable MLB writers and Toronto writers who called the Deal a Clear Win for Arizona in Year 1 and still a Win in Year 2. With all the lavish praise of Kirk right now, Moreno who is making 11 million less than Kirk with his salary at $793,000- still has one more homer than him, a higher OPS/SLG than Kirk, and scores better than him in various defensive metrics. However, just two weeks ago I said if Varsho continues to hit with power the way he has for the coming months, and Kirk reverts back to 2022 Kirk for the rest of the year as well- than I will be the first to say so. I was not a fan of acquiring Overrated Santander in free agency and the almost 100 million man Ryan Goins 2.0 Gimenez (like how thrilled you were), but I still do not wish injury on them. Only a sick person would think that others are happy that any player is hurt. This is only a game, while serious injuries are about a person's everyday well being (which matters way more in life than a baseball game, and nobody should wish injury on anybody).
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Re: Varsho/Moreno Discussion Thread 

Post#1754 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat May 31, 2025 11:49 pm

As expected, they are relishing in this moment.

No matter, Varsho will come back stronger in a few months. It might also make him easier to extend this offseason.
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Post#1755 » by Mehar » Sat May 31, 2025 11:58 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:As expected, they are relishing in this moment.

No matter, Varsho will come back stronger in a few months. It might also make him easier to extend this offseason.

As expected, you are a clown for even thinking that people are happy that Varsho is hurt.
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Post#1756 » by PushDaRock » Sun Jun 1, 2025 12:45 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
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They chose well.


Moreno fWAR 1.9
Kirk fWAR 1.5

Seems kind of close still?
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Post#1757 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jun 1, 2025 12:55 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
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They chose well.


Moreno fWAR 1.9
Kirk fWAR 1.5

Seems kind of close still?

1.0 bWAR to 0.3 bWAR advantage for Kirk this season.

And remember, Kirk doesn’t even have to be better than Moreno for the deal to be a massive win. They got one of the most valuable outfielders in baseball in the same deal (and their MVP over the past year) when healthy.

They chose well.
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Post#1758 » by Mehar » Sun Jun 1, 2025 12:59 am

PushDaRock wrote:
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They chose well.


Moreno fWAR 1.9
Kirk fWAR 1.5

Seems kind of close still?


Kirk also signed a 5 year 58 million dollar contract (11.8 million a year), while Moreno is getting paid $793,000 and is under Arizona control for three more seasons after this one. Moreno getting paid 11 million less than Kirk this year for similar level of production, while being the better player overall offensively and defensively in 2023/2024 (despite earning a much lower salary than Kirk). Bang for the Buck and financially speaking, Arizona would not want to trade places with Toronto right now, unless Kirk fully reverts back to 2022 First Half All-Star Kirk for the remainder of this year.
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Post#1759 » by PushDaRock » Sun Jun 1, 2025 1:04 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
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They chose well.


Moreno fWAR 1.9
Kirk fWAR 1.5

Seems kind of close still?

1.0 bWAR to 0.3 bWAR advantage for Kirk this season.

And remember, Kirk doesn’t even have to be better than Moreno for the deal to be a massive win. They got one of the most valuable outfielders in baseball in the same deal (and their MVP over the past year) when healthy.

They chose well.


As usual, choose the WAR which fits your own narrative I guess.
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Post#1760 » by PushDaRock » Sun Jun 1, 2025 1:11 am

Mehar wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
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They chose well.


Moreno fWAR 1.9
Kirk fWAR 1.5

Seems kind of close still?


Kirk also signed a 5 year 58 million dollar contract (11.8 million a year), while Moreno is getting paid $793,000 and is under Arizona control for three more seasons after this one. Moreno getting paid 11 million less than Kirk this year for similar level of production, while being the better player overall offensively and defensively in 2023/2024 (despite earning a much lower salary than Kirk). Bang for the Buck and financially speaking, Arizona would not want to trade places with Toronto right now, unless Kirk fully reverts back to 2022 First Half All-Star Kirk for the remainder of this year.


He's hitting the ball quite hard this season, the issue is they only go for singles because of how slow he is.

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