Stroman to Mets for Kay, Woods Richardson

[polo007]

After the trade, MLB Pipeline dropped Kay to a 50 FV and put him below Manoah. He’s 5th and SWR is 7th in our system.

MLB.com 2019 Prospect Watch

[polo007]

Anthony Kay, LHP, Toronto Blue Jays

From 2019 Futures Game in Cleveland while he was with the Mets.

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Simeon Woods-Richardson, RHP, Blue Jays

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[Boogie!]

Look we have no idea what Stro was asking for his free agency years, maybe he was asking for 20+ mill plus and our numbers don't line up with his, maybe they don't like his off the field behaviour...

What is wrong with his off field behaviour exactly? Can't thing of one scandalous scenario hes been involved in. He tweeted about that restaurant not letting him in one time?

[SharoneWright]

I'm choosing to view SWR as their #2 prospect, and Kay as their #4. For some reason, that makes me feel better about the deal!

[Sanyo]

Kay's upside is maybe #3 starter? Maybe #4?

[SharoneWright]

Also, if Woods-Richardson makes the majors, I believe that he'll have the largest nameplate of any Blue Jay in history. Right now, the honour belongs to Valerio de los Santos, who pitched 11.2 really **** innings for us over a decade ago, and thanks to the spaces had a nameplate that was 13 characters long (11 letters and two spaces). Woods-Richardson brings 15 letters and a hyphen to the table, absolutely crushing the competition.

Just beating out Saltalamacchia (14) by a single letter...

[vaff87]

Kay's upside is maybe #3 starter? Maybe #4?

Middle of the rotation starter, I think. Don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Especially when he’s close to the majors, and the other guy is a high upside guy.

[Sanyo]

So our projected 2022 rotation is:

Pearson
Pardinho
Kloffenstein
Kay?
Manoah?

[gundysmullet]

Anthony Kay, LHP, Toronto Blue Jays

From 2019 Futures Game in Cleveland while he was with the Mets.

Watch on YouTube

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Simeon Woods-Richardson, RHP, Blue Jays

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I’m sorry but that slo-mo crap is umbearable to watch. It is such a gimmick, I couldn’t watch the whole thing it was so awful.

[gundysmullet]

So our projected 2022 rotation is:

Pearson
Pardinho
Kloffenstein
Kay?
Manoah?

I think hyphenated guy should be there by 2022

[Ado05]

I hope the Jays can go in 2020.

I want us to be the Cubs -- get a ton of low cost positional players while we spend money on pitching.

Instead we gonna take 3-4 years to do this and then by then all these guys are gonna be getting big pay raises and we'll hear the excuses from Rogers again

2020 is completely unrealistic. 2021/2022 seems more likely.

[vaff87]

Yeah, 2020 is next year...

[SharoneWright]

And Stroman is a good pitcher, but that doesn’t mean the best course of action is to keep him. If he has another solid season, he’ll probably command a contract of $18-20 million per season starting in 2021 and will sign with the highest bidder. And if signs a similar extension with the Jays but he fades badly or regresses with injuries next season, then the Jays will have overpaid a year ahead of time for an unreliable starter. Trading him is just the direction that smart rebuilding teams generally take. Taking shortcuts and trying to compete with vets and rebuild, like Ownership forced management to do in 2017-18, rarely works. And all it did here was slow down the current rebuild.

Rays have been making this exact trade from time in memorial. The Jays don't do it as often, but this was good time to follow suit. Fortunately, the Jays have the financial muscle (and have shown the willingness) to commit to large contracts for the right player during a window of winning. It's actually nice to have a team with the flexibility to play things different ways as the evolving landscape dictates.

[dagger]

So our projected 2022 rotation is:

Pearson
Pardinho
Kloffenstein
Kay?
Manoah?

We’ll have a high pick next June - as high as third overall - and if it’s a college pitcher, it’s not Impossible he gets to the majors by 2022.


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[Sanyo]

So our projected 2022 rotation is:

Pearson
Pardinho
Kloffenstein
Kay?
Manoah?

We’ll have a high pick next June - as high as third overall - and if it’s a college pitcher, it’s not Impossible he gets to the majors by 2022.


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We will probably be at highest #4

So I havent looked whats the highest projected college pitcher and hitter for next year?

[ratul]

Don't worry, there is a kid in 8th grade that is blowing up that Shatkins is all over so they can trade all these potential starters for in 2026.

[rbp246]

Context is key, I mean what was each team trying to accomplish? And did they?

Not that Dickey was terrible, he was right around league average as a starter in Toronto, but obviously we would have been much better off with Syndergaard. Dickey wasn’t even on the Jays playoff roster in 2016, the same season Syndergaard was a 23 year old allstar. And D’Araoud was a solid, starting catcher for most of his Mets years. Even with the injuries.

I won’t even get into the collateral damage this trade caused but I, and likely 98% of Jays fans, would strongly disagree with your assessment here. This was the shining example of a terrible baseball trade when a team thought, wrongly, that they were getting the best player/sure thing.

Well that’s an interesting discussion because in my mind “BPA“ is usually a consensus and was the consensus that Dickie was the best player to be acquired for Syndergaard? It sounds like that Syndergaard was considered higher than dickies so in this case just because management thought that Dickey was the best player available doesn’t make it so. And again, I was arguing for “BPA” over drafting or trading for “need” because if you have bad management in place they can still pick the wrong player out of “need” just like they could “BPA”. Bad teams are bad because of bad management.

Dickey just won the cy young dude..Syndergaard was still a prospect the same Sanchez was.

Dickey was obviously the bpa at the time.

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[bballsparkin]

1) I probably should have watched Stroman more while he was here.
2) Mets will be fun to watch if they keep this pitching staff together.
3) No idea if the trade is good. But I like the idea of collecting pitching prospects and it seemed like Stroman's time was up here anyway since the Blue Jays are not currently competing.

[Ong_dynasty]

After the trade, MLB Pipeline dropped Kay to a 50 FV and put him below Manoah. He’s 5th and SWR is 7th in our system.

MLB.com 2019 Prospect Watch

So a 5th and 7th ranked prospect from a top 10 farm? (Us) that seems like a decent return right?

[fbalmeida]

This trade is really perplexing from the Mets perspective. What in the name of God are they doing?

Improving their team.