Baltimore Orioles (59-55) @ Toronto Blue Jays (61-52) - August 15-17

[DelAbbot]

The biggest tragedy in all of this was Shatkins running AA out of town. AA is building a dynasty in Atlanta right now while we appear to be circling the drain.

Let's all remember our biggest star was signed by AA - Vladdy Jr

I think I nearly cried over sports two times in my life - once was when Kawhi signed with LA and the other is when AA left

We really did AA dirty. Instead of rewarding him for building a team that got to the ALCS, we hired his replacement and offered him a demotion. That's not how you run a respectable sports organization.

Rogers wanted to let Masai go last year too, after he brought us a title. They are not fit to own sports teams.

I want to know who was the trash that wanted AA replaced by Dan Duquette. Then pushed AA out with that Shapiro hiring. So much bottled up anger.

[Raps in 4]

Let's all remember our biggest star was signed by AA - Vladdy Jr

I think I nearly cried over sports two times in my life - once was when Kawhi signed with LA and the other is when AA left

We really did AA dirty. Instead of rewarding him for building a team that got to the ALCS, we hired his replacement and offered him a demotion. That's not how you run a respectable sports organization.

Rogers wanted to let Masai go last year too, after he brought us a title. They are not fit to own sports teams.

I want to know who was the trash that wanted AA replaced by Dan Duquette. Then pushed AA out with that Shapiro hiring. So much bottled up anger.

I'm guessing the same trash who wanted Masai gone: Ed Rogers.

[Hottie McShotty]

dont matter who pitches next if we can't hit and score more than 2 runs a game.

The offense has been bad but let's not let the pitching off the hook here lmao

Last 5 losses before tonight was 7 runs allowed, 7 runs allowed, 8 runs allowed, 6 runs allowed, and 7 runs allowed. Not sure which offense can outscore that level of awful pitching.

They are not even coming close to outscoring an opponent. Losing 8-0 is not losing 8-6. The offence has been brutal. If the team is lucky, they score a run or two early before bagging it for the night. Comebacks? Ha1

I don't even remember when their last comeback was. This offense is awful! I could care less what the team stats say. This team can't hit and score runs against good teams.

[Hottie McShotty]

Orioles will finally stick a fork in them and put us out of our misery. The Blue Jays will be out of a playoff spot for good by Wednesday. Looking forward to what happens in the offseason

Tomorrow afternoon we are officially eliminated from playoff contention. Need to start the offseason thread from now

[Mehar]

Unless he's a puppet, they won't want anything to do with him.

Seriously. Atkins is a f'ing egomaniac. I remember towards the end of last year a fan 590 interview of Atkins about the success Pete Walker had working with Robbie Ray yielding a Cy Young season. Instead of praising his subordinate, he goes "it was not one individual, but a team of analysts working with Robbie (Ray)". F U Atkins

I hated Atkins from day 1, and now I'm back out of the closet to denounce that d-bag bean counter.

The biggest tragedy in all of this was Shatkins running AA out of town. AA is building a dynasty in Atlanta right now while we appear to be circling the drain.

I remember Shapiro doing an interview with Bob McCown on the Fan 590, after AA was shown the door after the 2015 season. McCown discussed the rumours of Shapiro criticizing AA to his face for the amount of prospects he had traded. Shapiro did not deny that, saying they both had a difference in philosophy. Shapiro then mentioned in the interview that the lack of organizational pitching depth for the Jays in the minors was a concern for him. 7 years later, our pitching depth is so trash that we are forced to use Kikuchi, instead of calling guys up like Casey Lawrence (lol). Our pitching depth is arguably one of the worst in the AL.

[Fairview4Life]

The most annoying part is that the rotation looked so good on paper. **** PAPER.

[Kurtz]

The most annoying part is that the rotation looked so good on paper. **** PAPER.

Did it? Our top 3 looked good, but we were relying on a guy who was looking washed last year at 4 and a guy who was removed from Seattle's rotation down the stretch last year as the #5. And no depth beyond Stripling, who fortunately stepped up.

[Fairview4Life]

The most annoying part is that the rotation looked so good on paper. **** PAPER.

Did it? Our top 3 looked good, but we were relying on a guy who was looking washed last year at 4 and a guy who was removed from Seattle's rotation down the stretch last year as the #5. And no depth beyond Stripling, who fortunately stepped up.

Having Berrios, Manoah and Gausman as a top 3 is looking very good on paper!

[DelAbbot]

Take Vladdy (AA's work) out of this team, how good a team has Shatkins accomplished in building? I would say a team worse than the Gord Ash's Jays. Shatkins had 7 years, with tear-down tanking seasons to get to this point.

[WuTang_CMB]

fkin suck

[Mehar]

Take Vladdy (AA's work) out of this team, how good a team has Shatkins accomplished in building? I would say a team worse than the Gord Ash's Jays. Shatkins had 7 years, with tear-down tanking seasons to get to this point.

With a 174 million payroll right now also. Rogers has provided the financial resources to Shatkins. Ryu, Kikuchi, and Berrios are making more combined in 2022, than the entire Payroll of the Orioles. Jays are spending significantly more than the Orioles, Rays, Twins, Mariners, and the Indians that are in the Wild Card Hunt. People forget how terrible this team was from 2017 to 2019, winning 76, 73, and 67 games those years. Fans were still patient. Last year, we had an unbelievable offense, but our Bullpen was trash in the first 3 months. This past off-season, the Bullpen was not fully addressed as Shatkins threw the Bullpen money away, to throw 36 million in the toilet (16 million this year) to a guy in Kikuchi who Seattle let go after his 5.98 ERA in his last 13 Starts of 2021. Montoyo was fired. So, now if this team misses the playoffs, it is time for both Shapiro and Atkins to be fired also. Clean house with the coaches also- including Pete Walker who has been here 10 years with dismal results. Shatkins tried their best, but the results on the field did not materialize. The organizational pitching depth is also a disgrace. Toronto will be an attractive destination to potential Shapiro and Atkins replacements, unlike in years past. An attractive destination for potential managers around the league also. I agree with your post.

[Kurtz]

Take Vladdy (AA's work) out of this team, how good a team has Shatkins accomplished in building? I would say a team worse than the Gord Ash's Jays. Shatkins had 7 years, with tear-down tanking seasons to get to this point.

With a 174 million payroll right now also. Rogers has provided the financial resources to Shatkins. Ryu, Kikuchi, and Berrios are making more combined in 2022, than the entire Payroll of the Orioles. Jays are spending significantly more than the Orioles, Rays, Twins, Mariners, and the Indians that are in the Wild Card Hunt. People forget how terrible this team was from 2017 to 2019, winning 76, 73, and 67 games those years. Fans were still patient. Last year, we had an unbelievable offense, but our Bullpen was trash in the first 3 months. This past off-season, the Bullpen was not fully addressed as Shatkins threw the Bullpen money away, to throw 36 million in the toilet (16 million this year) to a guy in Kikuchi who Seattle let go after his 5.98 ERA in his last 13 Starts of 2021. Montoyo was fired. So, now if this team misses the playoffs, it is time for both Shapiro and Atkins to be fired also. Clean house with the coaches also- including Pete Walker who has been here 10 years with dismal results. Shatkins tried their best, but the results on the field did not materialize. The organizational pitching depth is also a disgrace. Toronto will be an attractive destination to potential Shapiro and Atkins replacements, unlike in years past. An attractive destination for potential managers around the league also. I agree with your post.

I agree with the bulk of your post (except for the Pete Walker part - he's done some impressive things here), but note that 174m payroll is only the 11th highest in the league. Let's not dismiss the culpability of Rogers who specifically hired Shapiro because of the promise that he could build a sustainable contender on a budget.

[Mehar]

Take Vladdy (AA's work) out of this team, how good a team has Shatkins accomplished in building? I would say a team worse than the Gord Ash's Jays. Shatkins had 7 years, with tear-down tanking seasons to get to this point.

With a 174 million payroll right now also. Rogers has provided the financial resources to Shatkins. Ryu, Kikuchi, and Berrios are making more combined in 2022, than the entire Payroll of the Orioles. Jays are spending significantly more than the Orioles, Rays, Twins, Mariners, and the Indians that are in the Wild Card Hunt. People forget how terrible this team was from 2017 to 2019, winning 76, 73, and 67 games those years. Fans were still patient. Last year, we had an unbelievable offense, but our Bullpen was trash in the first 3 months. This past off-season, the Bullpen was not fully addressed as Shatkins threw the Bullpen money away, to throw 36 million in the toilet (16 million this year) to a guy in Kikuchi who Seattle let go after his 5.98 ERA in his last 13 Starts of 2021. Montoyo was fired. So, now if this team misses the playoffs, it is time for both Shapiro and Atkins to be fired also. Clean house with the coaches also- including Pete Walker who has been here 10 years with dismal results. Shatkins tried their best, but the results on the field did not materialize. The organizational pitching depth is also a disgrace. Toronto will be an attractive destination to potential Shapiro and Atkins replacements, unlike in years past. An attractive destination for potential managers around the league also. I agree with your post.

I agree with the bulk of your post (except for the Pete Walker part - he's done some impressive things here), but note that 174m payroll is only the 11th highest in the league. Let's not dismiss the culpability of Rogers who specifically hired Shapiro because of the promise that he could build a sustainable contender on a budget.

Respectfully, can you please elaborate on some of the impressive things Pete Walker has done? I keep hearing this from the media and some posters, but the Jays pitching statistics (Bullpen and Starters) have been underwhelming for a decade. People mention Robbie Ray, but Ray was an All-Star who had very good pitching seasons with the Diamondbacks. Berrios has gone south this year. Walker was supposed to transform Kikuchi into a decent pitcher, and that did not work out. Last year's bullpen in the first half was one of the worst I have seen in this franchise's history. Pete Walker was also himself a mediocre pitcher, having watched him pitch in person at the Rogers Centre when Carlos Tosca was manager nearly 20 years ago. Walker might be a nice guy, but I hope he is not back for a 11th season next year.

[BitsAndGlory]

I am sad waking up each morning to see L after L. Such a damn shame we didn't get in last year.

[duppyy]

We may never win again!

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[Mehar]

Matt Chapman is Leading Off? (LOL). Not sure why we traded Max Castillo, if Merrifield is not going to be in CF when Springer is out. Cannot understand this love affair of Tapia playing CF. Another joke lineup today.

[Corinne]

I love Chapman as much as anyone else but why is he leading off? I don't even know what to do or say. This is getting ridiculous.
I might say " dem jus ah try a ting.". In Standard English, "throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping something sticks".
I really needed a half decent game today as a pick-me-up, and wtf is this? What is the rationale?
I could understand Gurriel, Kirky, or even Espy who (if not screwed by an errant strike zone) will foul off a poop ton of pitches. But Chappy? Why?

[Raps in 4]

I love Chapman as much as anyone else but why is he leading off? I don't even know what to do or say. This is getting ridiculous.
I might say " dem jus ah try a ting.". In Standard English, "throwing spaghetti at the wall and hoping something sticks".
I really needed a half decent game today as a pick-me-up, and wtf is this? What is the rationale?
I could understand Gurriel, Kirky, or even Espy who (if not screwed by an errant strike zone) will foul off a poop ton of pitches. But Chappy? Why?

Maybe Schneider is using stats from a month ago to determine the lineup. Someone should tell him that players go on hot and cold streaks (Chapman is especially prone to streakiness).

[Raps in 4]

Matt Chapman is Leading Off? (LOL). Not sure why we traded Max Castillo, if Merrifield is not going to be in CF when Springer is out. Cannot understand this love affair of Tapia playing CF. Another joke lineup today.

We're playing our worst OF defender in the hardest OF position to defend. Absolute **** madness.

Schneider might be even dumber than Charlie was.