Jays @ Rays - Aug 5 - 7 - Bad Meets Good

[BigLeagueChew]

Huge block by Jansen with a runner on 3rd and Giles pitching.

[gundysmullet]

And of course Teoscar strikes out to end the inning. Smfh... This guy is so awful. Don't want him near this team next season.

And that was simply the point I was making when I suggested that Galvis replace him or Grichuk in the outfield.

[Schad]

People get that, it's just that it isn't an either/or. First, Grichuk is going nowhere. Second, Galvis in the outfield is basically a Jon Jay level player, at best. Probably worse; Jay has been the superior offensive player over the past four years, and provides solid-enough OF defense, which Galvis likely will not. Actual Jon Jay will be available in the offseason, for less money, and can spot you in CF. If we want a pretty bad OF who doesn't strike out much, it still makes more sense to trade Galvis and hit the market to find one.

[gundysmullet]

People get that, it's just that it isn't an either/or. First, Grichuk is going nowhere. Second, Galvis in the outfield is basically a Jon Jay level player, at best. Probably worse; Jay has been the superior offensive player over the past four years, and provides solid-enough OF defense, which Galvis likely will not. Actual Jon Jay will be available in the offseason, for less money, and can spot you in CF. If we want a pretty bad OF who doesn't strike out much, it still makes more sense to trade Galvis and hit the market to find one.

So you concede that Grichuk sucks and in the next breath you say that he is “going nowhere”. Why is he “going nowhere”? I swear you love to argue just for the sake of arguing. And you wonder why with your rapier wit and masterful art of the written word that it’s just you and your three cats?

[Schad]

He's going nowhere because his current production makes his contract onerous, and consequently no one is going to trade for him. Because of the way his contract is structured, and because Grichuk's wildly inconsistent, it's entirely possible that he'll rebound and be a trade asset in a couple years, but he isn't now.

Also, pointing out the flaws with this plan barely constitutes arguing, any more than suggesting that paste is not a balanced breakfast would be. If any form of disagreement causes you to have these freakouts, the internet might not be right for you.

[So_Fresh]

Smoak with the tie and walkoff! Getting hot at the right moment and hopefully increasing his trade value. I think we can get a nice piece or two as return from a contender from him. Houston is thin at 1st base. Maybe they would be interested. Let's see what happens!

[So_Fresh]

People get that, it's just that it isn't an either/or. First, Grichuk is going nowhere. Second, Galvis in the outfield is basically a Jon Jay level player, at best. Probably worse; Jay has been the superior offensive player over the past four years, and provides solid-enough OF defense, which Galvis likely will not. Actual Jon Jay will be available in the offseason, for less money, and can spot you in CF. If we want a pretty bad OF who doesn't strike out much, it still makes more sense to trade Galvis and hit the market to find one.

So you concede that Grichuk sucks and in the next breath you say that he is “going nowhere”. Why is he “going nowhere”? I swear you love to argue just for the sake of arguing. And you wonder why with your rapier wit and masterful art of the written word that it’s just you and your three cats?

gundysmullet ignore Schad. He's selfish, egotistical, and arrogant. He thinks he knows it all. Whatever he says and argues has merit and only makes sense to him. Others are wrong in their arguement and discussion according to him. For him to tell you that the internet is not for you, for having a discussion and arguing a point of his, is laughable and shows his character. Who is he to tell you what to say and do? This is an open forum for discussion on the Toronto Blue jays. Schad I think you're the one who needs to go.

[wamco]

I’m on several jays boards and schad is easily the most knowledgeable and level headed posted. It’s really not even close.

So fresh, you come across as a teenager lately. Maybe you are. Who knows . Galvis is an awful option in the OF. Grichuk is nothing special either but his contract makes him harder to move.

[Fairview4Life]

gundysmullet ignore Schad. He's selfish, egotistical, and arrogant. He thinks he knows it all. Whatever he says and argues has merit and only makes sense to him. Others are wrong in their arguement and discussion according to him. For him to tell you that the internet is not for you, for having a discussion and arguing a point of his, is laughable and shows his character. Who is he to tell you what to say and do? This is an open forum for discussion on the Toronto Blue jays. Schad I think you're the one who needs to go.

This is an open forum for discussion on the Blue Jays so Schad shouldn't discuss his opinions on the Blue Jays. That the angle you really want to go for?

[Ado05]

Surely they arent starting Stroman tonight, right?

[gundysmullet]

He's going nowhere because his current production makes his contract onerous, and consequently no one is going to trade for him. Because of the way his contract is structured, and because Grichuk's wildly inconsistent, it's entirely possible that he'll rebound and be a trade asset in a couple years, but he isn't now.

Also, pointing out the flaws with this plan barely constitutes arguing, any more than suggesting that paste is not a balanced breakfast would be. If any form of disagreement causes you to have these freakouts, the internet might not be right for you.

Freak out? You have officially jumped the shark and surpassed so fresh and myself for most hyperbolic poster. I have said several times, I thoroughly enjoy your writing style, your wit and your humor, it truly is a pleasure to read; that being said people on occasion will have opinions that differ from your own, and that’s OK. That does not make it a “freak out”.

[gundysmullet]

People get that, it's just that it isn't an either/or. First, Grichuk is going nowhere. Second, Galvis in the outfield is basically a Jon Jay level player, at best. Probably worse; Jay has been the superior offensive player over the past four years, and provides solid-enough OF defense, which Galvis likely will not. Actual Jon Jay will be available in the offseason, for less money, and can spot you in CF. If we want a pretty bad OF who doesn't strike out much, it still makes more sense to trade Galvis and hit the market to find one.

So you concede that Grichuk sucks and in the next breath you say that he is “going nowhere”. Why is he “going nowhere”? I swear you love to argue just for the sake of arguing. And you wonder why with your rapier wit and masterful art of the written word that it’s just you and your three cats?

gundysmullet ignore Schad. He's selfish, egotistical, and arrogant. He thinks he knows it all. Whatever he says and argues has merit and only makes sense to him. Others are wrong in their arguement and discussion according to him. For him to tell you that the internet is not for you, for having a discussion and arguing a point of his, is laughable and shows his character. Who is he to tell you what to say and do? This is an open forum for discussion on the Toronto Blue jays. Schad I think you're the one who needs to go.

I think he has a lot of talent and his writing is fantastic, but let’s be honest, Schads biggest fan is Schad. But that’s OK we’re just posting on a message board, in the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal.

[gundysmullet]

I’m on several jays boards and schad is easily the most knowledgeable and level headed posted. It’s really not even close.

So fresh, you come across as a teenager lately. Maybe you are. Who knows . Galvis is an awful option in the OF. Grichuk is nothing special either but his contract makes him harder to move.

The whole Galvis to the outfield argument was predicated upon the fact that he is still better than Grichuk and Hernandez and putting him in the outfield like they did with Gurriel would be better than trading him for $.10 on the dollar. Sure he may still stink in the outfield, but he stinks less than Grichuk and Hernandez. That was simply the point.

[gundysmullet]

I’m on several jays boards and schad is easily the most knowledgeable and level headed posted. It’s really not even close.

So fresh, you come across as a teenager lately. Maybe you are. Who knows . Galvis is an awful option in the OF. Grichuk is nothing special either but his contract makes him harder to move.

Knowledgeable? Absolutely, 100% extremely knowledgeable. He is also a fantastic writer and has a great sense of humor. Levelheaded? That depends… I don’t believe that he has ever admitted to ever being wrong about anything and will disagree and argue with somebody until the cows come home. The closest that I have ever seen him concede to being wrong about something was when the Jays stupidly did not play Guerrero on Victoria day and after about three days with literally no other person on his side he finally stopped posting about it. Shad brings so much to this board, but his pride is his downfall.

[Schad]

Freak out? You have officially jumped the shark and surpassed so fresh and myself for most hyperbolic poster. I have said several times, I thoroughly enjoy your writing style, your wit and your humor, it truly is a pleasure to read; that being said people on occasion will have opinions that differ from your own, and that’s OK. That does not make it a “freak out”.

Pointing out the flaws in your idea led you to jump to immediately suggesting that I'm...a crazy cat lady, I guess? Yeah, that's a bit of a freakout. Part of a discussion forum is that people are going to disagree. If you immediately get weirdly personal every time someone disagrees with you, then yeah: discussion forums are going to be a bit tough.

Also, I'm allergic to cats.

Knowledgeable? Absolutely, 100% extremely knowledgeable. He is also a fantastic writer and has a great sense of humor. Levelheaded? That depends… I don’t believe that he has ever admitted to ever being wrong about anything and will disagree and argue with somebody until the cows come home. The closest that I have ever seen him concede to being wrong about something was when the Jays stupidly did not play Guerrero on Victoria day and after about three days with literally no other person on his side he finally stopped posting about it. Shad brings so much to this board, but his pride is his downfall.

I've been wrong about plenty. If you have opinions on things, particularly something as highly variable as baseball and baseball players, you're going to be wrong some of the time. If you want an example: I thought that trading for and then retaining Bautista was bizarre, because we were spending $2.4m on a player who to that point in his career was really very bad (from 2004-2008, he was worth -1.4 fWAR). What is interesting in retrospect is how that presaged the Statcast era: today, teams are quite conscious of seeking out players capable of hitting the ball hard, in the hopes that they can rework their swing/approach to turn that into game power, and Bautista was one such player. In 2019, such a player would be sought out; in 2008, he was a cast-off.

[gundysmullet]

Freak out? You have officially jumped the shark and surpassed so fresh and myself for most hyperbolic poster. I have said several times, I thoroughly enjoy your writing style, your wit and your humor, it truly is a pleasure to read; that being said people on occasion will have opinions that differ from your own, and that’s OK. That does not make it a “freak out”.

Pointing out the flaws in your idea led you to jump to immediately suggesting that I'm...a crazy cat lady, I guess? Yeah, that's a bit of a freakout. Part of a discussion forum is that people are going to disagree. If you immediately get weirdly personal every time someone disagrees with you, then yeah: discussion forums are going to be a bit tough.

It was a joke. With your fantastic sense of humor I would have thought that you of all people would be able to poke fun at yourself. Apparently not. I will refrain from doing so hence forth. My apologies.

[gundysmullet]

Freak out? You have officially jumped the shark and surpassed so fresh and myself for most hyperbolic poster. I have said several times, I thoroughly enjoy your writing style, your wit and your humor, it truly is a pleasure to read; that being said people on occasion will have opinions that differ from your own, and that’s OK. That does not make it a “freak out”.

Pointing out the flaws in your idea led you to jump to immediately suggesting that I'm...a crazy cat lady, I guess? Yeah, that's a bit of a freakout. Part of a discussion forum is that people are going to disagree. If you immediately get weirdly personal every time someone disagrees with you, then yeah: discussion forums are going to be a bit tough.

Also, I'm allergic to cats.

Knowledgeable? Absolutely, 100% extremely knowledgeable. He is also a fantastic writer and has a great sense of humor. Levelheaded? That depends… I don’t believe that he has ever admitted to ever being wrong about anything and will disagree and argue with somebody until the cows come home. The closest that I have ever seen him concede to being wrong about something was when the Jays stupidly did not play Guerrero on Victoria day and after about three days with literally no other person on his side he finally stopped posting about it. Shad brings so much to this board, but his pride is his downfall.

I've been wrong about plenty. If you have opinions on things, particularly something as highly variable as baseball and baseball players, you're going to be wrong some of the time. If you want an example: I thought that trading for and then retaining Bautista was bizarre, because we were spending $2.4m on a player who to that point in his career was really very bad (from 2004-2008, he was worth -1.4 fWAR). What is interesting in retrospect is how that presaged the Statcast era: today, teams are quite conscious of seeking out players capable of hitting the ball hard, in the hopes that they can rework their swing/approach to turn that into game power, and Bautista was one such player. In 2019, such a player would be sought out; in 2008, he was a cast-off.

OK, fair enough. My apologies then. My only suggestion would be to possibly work on understanding that sometimes people simply have an opinion that differs from your own, and it’s not a personal affront to your intellect, it’s just a difference of opinion. That’s all.

[Brinbe]

was at the game tonight. offense stunk, but happy to see stroman one more time at home before he gets shipped out. i'll really miss him.

[So_Fresh]

That 2nd half of the lineup is GAAAAAAAAAAAAAARBAGE!!!!!

That Grichuk contract sure looks like a bargain right folks?

Shatkins thanks for putting together a competitive team who cant hit a lick!

Once Stroman and Soogard are gone watch the losses and poor play pile up! 100+ losses here we come!

Must really suck and embarrassing knowing you were responsible for breaking a team's loss record in club history.

There's a reason Rogers extended Atkins contract for just one more year. They don't trust this guy to put together a competitive team.

All you have look at is how Oakland and Tampa have done it over the years and with a fraction of the payroll. Making smart trades and adding through FA and the draft.

[So_Fresh]

Freak out? You have officially jumped the shark and surpassed so fresh and myself for most hyperbolic poster. I have said several times, I thoroughly enjoy your writing style, your wit and your humor, it truly is a pleasure to read; that being said people on occasion will have opinions that differ from your own, and that’s OK. That does not make it a “freak out”.

Pointing out the flaws in your idea led you to jump to immediately suggesting that I'm...a crazy cat lady, I guess? Yeah, that's a bit of a freakout. Part of a discussion forum is that people are going to disagree. If you immediately get weirdly personal every time someone disagrees with you, then yeah: discussion forums are going to be a bit tough.

Also, I'm allergic to cats.

Knowledgeable? Absolutely, 100% extremely knowledgeable. He is also a fantastic writer and has a great sense of humor. Levelheaded? That depends… I don’t believe that he has ever admitted to ever being wrong about anything and will disagree and argue with somebody until the cows come home. The closest that I have ever seen him concede to being wrong about something was when the Jays stupidly did not play Guerrero on Victoria day and after about three days with literally no other person on his side he finally stopped posting about it. Shad brings so much to this board, but his pride is his downfall.

I've been wrong about plenty. If you have opinions on things, particularly something as highly variable as baseball and baseball players, you're going to be wrong some of the time. If you want an example: I thought that trading for and then retaining Bautista was bizarre, because we were spending $2.4m on a player who to that point in his career was really very bad (from 2004-2008, he was worth -1.4 fWAR). What is interesting in retrospect is how that presaged the Statcast era: today, teams are quite conscious of seeking out players capable of hitting the ball hard, in the hopes that they can rework their swing/approach to turn that into game power, and Bautista was one such player. In 2019, such a player would be sought out; in 2008, he was a cast-off.

OK, fair enough. My apologies then. My only suggestion would be to possibly work on understanding that sometimes people simply have an opinion that differs from your own, and it’s not a personal affront to your intellect, it’s just a difference of opinion. That’s all.

EXACTLY! Trust me to them its a personal affront to their intellect. They hate it when someone makes a point or counter arguement they don't agree with and attack your intellect for it. Schad is a weird individual indeed.

We don't need people like him on these forums. Ruins the experience for many of us. Ever wonder why this forum is so dead? Now you know why.