Jays 2024 Trade Deadline Thread

Post #21 » by **Cyrus** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:20 pm

[quote="Lateral Quicks"]I can't get excited about a guy hitting .216 in his minor league career, premium defensive position or not. Atkins really loves guys that can't hit, and hitting coaches that can't coach.[/quote]

Seems like we are just going for qty lottery tickets and hope one hits big.

At the same time besides nate, none of these guys were going to be here next year nor are they premium players

Brinbe · Post #22 » by **Brinbe** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:21 pm

Sad to see Jano go... Hopefully these prospects turn out.

polo007 · Post #23 » by **polo007** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:21 pm

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Post #24 » by **Duffman100** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:30 pm

Can we not turn the deadline thread into another Moreno / Kirk / Jansen argument

tanuki1031 · Post #25 » by **tanuki1031** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:32 pm

polo007 wrote:

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What an embarrassment.

At this rate Vlad Jr. is going to find out that he (unknowingly) signed a 10-year $120M extension or rejected a 10-year $750M with us from a foreign media member during a post-game scrum, and being all sorts of confused along with the other local media guys who also had no knowledge of said deal.

Would not put it past the shatkins team to start forging player signatures at this point.

Jerry Lucas · Post #26 » by **Jerry Lucas** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:42 pm

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Randle McMurphy · Post #27 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:44 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Can we not turn the deadline thread into another Moreno / Kirk / Jansen argument

You forgot about by far the best player in the deal.

Randle McMurphy · Post #28 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:46 pm

Brinbe wrote:Sad to see Jano go... Hopefully these prospects turn out.

He could have gotten us a lot more than this if he wasn’t currently in the middle of a 2.5 month disaster slump at the worst possible time.

Lateral Quicks · Post #29 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:53 pm

This team spent many, many years without a good catcher. We had three good ones in the fold two years ago, and now only one remains - and he can no longer hit (not surprising with Guillermo in charge). That is a major organizational failure, there's no way around it.

Davey0 · Post #30 » by **Davey0** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:11 am

Woof. Blowing up the team that will take 2-3 years to get a new GM. Only for that new GM to rebuild the team that will take 4-5 years. If not more.

Fun times

Parataxis · Post #31 » by **Parataxis** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 12:50 am

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Can somebody explain to me what the advantage of a deadline trade between two non-contending teams is? Like, couldn't this just have easily been made in the off-season?

Is it just about the Cubs getting a longer look at Pearson?

bluerap23 · Post #32 » by **bluerap23** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:00 am

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Nice - 2 fringe OF's in one day

bluerap23 · Post #33 » by **bluerap23** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:02 am

Mehar wrote:
Cyrus wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Still better than fraud Moreno

beating him in all offensive stats and has like 5 years of control. Kirk even being a scrub this year, is going to start to getting paid as he goes into his arb years.

Gabby definitely has out played kirk these past two years.

If Moreno is a fraud, what is Fat Kirk (LOL)? Moreno with a much higher BA, SLG, OBP, OPS and WAR numbers up to this point than Fat Kirk. Kirk has two years left at higher Arbitration numbers, while Moreno has 5 years of control left.

Let's see how the "Top 5 Catcher Kirk performs now" getting regular catching duties here on out. He will still have his load managing days, because his 5 foot 7.5 inch, 260-270 pound body cannot catch regularly and he needs his rest. Hopefully, the Jays can bring back Jansen in the off-season if possible.

Randle is completely delusional.

PowerPlant1 · Post #34 » by **PowerPlant1** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:23 am

Lateral Quicks wrote:I can't get excited about a guy hitting .216 in his minor league career, premium defensive position or not. Atkins really loves guys that can't hit, and hitting coaches that can't coach.

Seems we have a potential fool in charge of the rebuild. Let's see how it goes.

Anyway, BA doesn't mean anything as we've seen in Daulton Varsho's case so I'm sure he got us a stud.

Randle McMurphy · Post #35 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:25 am

bluerap23 wrote:
Mehar wrote:
Cyrus wrote:
beating him in all offensive stats and has like 5 years of control. Kirk even being a scrub this year, is going to start to getting paid as he goes into his arb years.

Gabby definitely has out played kirk these past two years.

If Moreno is a fraud, what is Fat Kirk (LOL)? Moreno with a much higher BA, SLG, OBP, OPS and WAR numbers up to this point than Fat Kirk. Kirk has two years left at higher Arbitration numbers, while Moreno has 5 years of control left.

Let's see how the "Top 5 Catcher Kirk performs now" getting regular catching duties here on out. He will still have his load managing days, because his 5 foot 7.5 inch, 260-270 pound body cannot catch regularly and he needs his rest. Hopefully, the Jays can bring back Jansen in the off-season if possible.

Randle is completely delusional.

Even with the down season Kirk has had, he still has a higher career wRC+ with better defense than Moreno. The crying over this fraud’s departure for a far better player than him a year and a half later remains insane.

Post #36 » by **Cyrus** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:38 am

Parataxis wrote:
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Can somebody explain to me what the advantage of a deadline trade between two non-contending teams is? Like, couldn't this just have easily been made in the off-season?

Is it just about the Cubs getting a longer look at Pearson?

Longer look, get them with his coaches sooner so they can tell him to work on X in off season instead of whatever Jays been telling him

Mehar · Post #37 » by **Mehar** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 1:56 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
bluerap23 wrote:
Mehar wrote:If Moreno is a fraud, what is Fat Kirk (LOL)? Moreno with a much higher BA, SLG, OBP, OPS and WAR numbers up to this point than Fat Kirk. Kirk has two years left at higher Arbitration numbers, while Moreno has 5 years of control left.

Let's see how the "Top 5 Catcher Kirk performs now" getting regular catching duties here on out. He will still have his load managing days, because his 5 foot 7.5 inch, 260-270 pound body cannot catch regularly and he needs his rest. Hopefully, the Jays can bring back Jansen in the off-season if possible.

Randle is completely delusional.

Even with the down season Kirk has had, he still has a higher career wRC+ with better defense than Moreno. The crying over this fraud’s departure for a far better player than him a year and a half later remains insane.

We all know Randle is delusional. There is no argument on that point. He will disregard any data presented that goes against his narratives. Kirk is the actual complete fraud, when Randle said he will be a Top 5 Catcher in 2024. Look at the stats of Kirk since the second half of 2022, and they are terrible. Career WRC+ does not tell the whole story, and Randle knows that.

Moreno got a Gold Glove in his Rookie Year, and was Number 1 in MLB for Defensive WAR in 2023. How many Gold Gloves has Top 5 Catcher Fat Kirk have, despite being in the league a lot longer than Moreno? Moreno having a much better year hitting wise this year than Kirk, even with Moreno not as hitting as well as his Rookie Year. If the Jays are serious about competing in 2025, Kirk cannot be trusted to be the everyday catcher.

JN · Post #38 » by JN » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:08 am

Parataxis wrote:
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Can somebody explain to me what the advantage of a deadline trade between two non-contending teams is? Like, couldn't this just have easily been made in the off-season?

Is it just about the Cubs getting a longer look at Pearson?

My guess....

Pearson becomes arbitration eligible this off-season, and perhaps the Jays were thinking of non-tendering him. Pulling numbers out of my butt, I would assume Pearson would get somewhere between $1.5M to $2.0m via arbitration, and perhaps the Jays would have cut bait and filled his role with a minimum 700K guy instead. So they get something rather than potentially losing him for nothing in October.

The Cubs preferred to get a look at him, see what he is and how they can adjust him, before having to make the arbitration decision.

linery88 · Post #39 » by **linery88** » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:12 am

Jano`s gonna have some fun peppering that monster.Always liked him here.

JN · Post #40 » by JN » Sun Jul 28, 2024 2:18 am

I'm not sure what exactly some of you are expecting to get out of this deadline. We don't have any premium assets that are pending FA's. Those that had the most value 30-60 days ago (Jansen, KIkuchi, Garcia, Richards) have regressed significantly or been injured.

The returns have seemed fairly decent to date - but none of these moves will likely be franchise altering because of the players that are being moved.

The Garcia trade has been viewed as very solid.
Janssen got fringe prospects - not sure what else you are expecting.

Atkins sucks "big picture" and has moves have greatly helped putting us into this position at July 2024. That being said these deadline moves aren't big vision moves - they are simple trades of non premium pending FA's, for non elite prospects. Atkins is capable of doing these types of deals. Certainly more concerned if Atkins is around during the offseason.