The Bo Bichette Thread

Brinbe · Post #21 » by **Brinbe** » Tue Jul 30, 2024 10:20 pm

I'd trade him. Maybe you fetch something in off-season or next season. He's really a 2B and don't think his game will age all that well. Of course it depends on the return but I don't even particularly miss him right now. Trade him for help elsewhere and extend Vlad.

Hottie McShotty · Post #22 » by **Hottie McShotty** » Fri Aug 2, 2024 12:30 am

You keep him. He's 26. You don't trade a two-time MLB All-Star and a player who twice led the American League in hits. This year was an off year for him. He also wasn't healthy.

Lateral Quicks · Post #23 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Fri Aug 2, 2024 12:45 pm

Brinbe wrote:I'd trade him. Maybe you fetch something in off-season or next season. He's really a 2B and don't think his game will age all that well. Of course it depends on the return but I don't even particularly miss him right now. Trade him for help elsewhere and extend Vlad.

Pretty much my sentiments, especially about his game not aging well. He's still an undisciplined hitter that relies on bat speed. When that goes, it could get really ugly really fast.

It would be unwise to extend both Bo and Vlad. If we are to extend one, it should be Vlad. Frankly, I'm not even sure it's wise to extend Vlad at this point, given where this team is now. But they'll probably want to in order to keep fans in the seats.

Parataxis · Post #24 » by **Parataxis** » Fri Aug 2, 2024 4:52 pm

Hottie McShotty wrote:You keep him. He's 26. You don't trade a two-time MLB All-Star and a player who twice led the American League in hits. This year was an off year for him. He also wasn't healthy.

You absolutely trade a two-time MLB All-Star if the return is high enough.

I mean, heck, Soto got traded TWICE. If Soto can be traded, so can Bo.

JTT · Post #25 » by **JTT** » Fri Aug 2, 2024 7:54 pm

Parataxis wrote:
Hottie McShotty wrote:You keep him. He's 26. You don't trade a two-time MLB All-Star and a player who twice led the American League in hits. This year was an off year for him. He also wasn't healthy.

You absolutely trade a two-time MLB All-Star if the return is high enough.

I mean, heck, Soto got traded TWICE. If Soto can be traded, so can Bo.

I think that the biggest question is how much his 2024 performance diminishes his otherwise excellent results. Will teams fear that that he’s the second coming of Javy Baez?

Boogie! · Post #26 » by **Boogie!** » Wed Aug 14, 2024 2:52 am

JTT wrote:
Parataxis wrote:
Hottie McShotty wrote:You keep him. He's 26. You don't trade a two-time MLB All-Star and a player who twice led the American League in hits. This year was an off year for him. He also wasn't healthy.

You absolutely trade a two-time MLB All-Star if the return is high enough.

I mean, heck, Soto got traded TWICE. If Soto can be traded, so can Bo.

I think that the biggest question is how much his 2024 performance diminishes his otherwise excellent results. Will teams fear that that he’s the second coming of Javy Baez?

Bochettes hitting style always seemed unsustainable. He benefited a lot from just putting his bat on the ball, but he chases a lot and doesn’t walk. He doesn’t have good plate discipline and elite power. Also his defense at shortstop isn’t elite. If you get some eljte prospectscfor him id trade him. but id givd him abother year

johanliebert · Post #27 » by **johanliebert** » Thu Aug 15, 2024 12:32 am

You guys are understating how good a hitter he is for narratives

Hottie McShotty · Post #28 » by **Hottie McShotty** » Thu Aug 15, 2024 2:42 pm

If you exclude this season, Bo has been one of the best hitters in all of baseball. However, it may not be feasible to sign both Bo and Vladdy and build a contender, considering the high asking price. Therefore, it seems that one of them will have to go. I was leaning towards keeping Bo over Vladdy, but after seeing what Vladdy has done this 2nd half I would keep him.

greekman · Post #29 » by **greekman** » Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:04 am

https://dailyhive.com/toronto/bichette-not-planning-staying-blue-jays-next-season

atkins should've traded him

dagger · Post #30 » by **dagger** » Mon Aug 19, 2024 9:48 pm

Brinbe wrote:I'd trade him. Maybe you fetch something in off-season or next season. He's really a 2B and don't think his game will age all that well. Of course it depends on the return but I don't even particularly miss him right now. Trade him for help elsewhere and extend Vlad.

I agree, the replacement doesn't have to be as good as prime Bo, but certainly cheaper and a good defender. Then move Bo's money to other needs.

DelAbbot · Post #31 » by **DelAbbot** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:13 pm

greekman wrote:https://dailyhive.com/toronto/bichette-not-planning-staying-blue-jays-next-season

atkins should've traded him

For as long as Atkins has a job here, he's not trading away the biggest trophy of his Blue Jays tenure

Post #32 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:28 pm

The worry I have is no serious team would have Bichette play SS for them. Likely he'd slot in at 2B for a team.

Who wants to pay a premium for a 2B on the last year of his deal coming off a bad hitting year?

Fairview4Life · Post #33 » by **Fairview4Life** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:41 pm

Duffman100 wrote:The worry I have is no serious team would have Bichette play SS for them. Likely he'd slot in at 2B for a team.

Who wants to pay a premium for a 2B on the last year of his deal coming off a bad hitting year?

The Dodgers?

JN · Post #34 » by JN » Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:14 am

johanliebert wrote:You guys are understating how good a hitter he is for narratives

In 2022 and 2023 he averaged an OPS+ of 125 (128 and 122). Numbers that seemed quite good for a SS. But in 2024, even that 125 is not close to all star level at this point.

Problem is that so many good SS entering the league the last few years and the position has become loaded. Some have elevated their play, or veterans that are very steady, that Bo's value even with an OPS of 125 is not near all star level anymore at that position... especially when we consider Bo's defence.

Current Year OPS above 125
Witt 176
Henderson 166
Correa 148 (has been over 130,3 of the last 4 years)
Seager 143 (average of 159 the last 2 years)
Turner 135
Lindor 128 (with very good defence)
Elly 125 (at age 22 with very good D)
Fitzgerald 177 (small sample of 60 games only)

Guys between 110-125.
Abrams 117 (only in 2nd year and 23)
Neto 117 (only in 2nd year and 23)
Adames 118
O'neill Cruz 117
Masyn Winn 106 (at age 22, with very good D)

The Padres play Kim at SS because of his D, but they have 2 guys capable at short who are playing in the OF with OPS over 125 (Tatis and Merrill). Young players that are good at D like Volpe and Raffaela could jump to over 100 next year.

At the end of the day if Bo is playing at 22/23 level he is not that special in the 2024.
Still a good player. But all star? No.

agkagk · Post #35 » by **agkagk** » Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:30 pm

Hasn’t he led the league in hits since he entered the league going into last year….?

His trade value is probably higher mid season.

I’m ok trading him if we sign a stud this off season.

Otherwise…… veeeeeery shatkinsey

Raps in 4 · Post #36 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Nov 3, 2024 7:56 pm

agkagk wrote:Hasn’t he led the league in hits since he entered the league going into last year….?

His trade value is probably higher mid season.

I’m ok trading him if we sign a stud this off season.

Otherwise…… veeeeeery shatkinsey

What will happen:

Shatkins will trade him for peanuts at his lowest value. The replacement will be another player who can't hit, to add to our roster of non-hitters. The Jays will win 60-70 games again and Ed Rogers will announce 10 year extensions for Shapiro and Atkins.

agkagk · Post #37 » by **agkagk** » Sun Nov 3, 2024 10:25 pm

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Raps in 4 wrote:
agkagk wrote:Hasn’t he led the league in hits since he entered the league going into last year….?

His trade value is probably higher mid season.

I’m ok trading him if we sign a stud this off season.

Otherwise…… veeeeeery shatkinsey

What will happen:

Shatkins will trade him for peanuts at his lowest value. The replacement will be another player who can't hit, to add to our roster of non-hitters. The Jays will win 60-70 games again and Ed Rogers will announce 10 year extensions for Shapiro and Atkins.

I predict a middle reliever and a prospect that’s 6 years out lol

Hottie McShotty · Post #38 » by **Hottie McShotty** » Wed Dec 11, 2024 10:26 am

After the Jimenez trade, I'm thinking Bo will not be a Blue Jay after next season. Either he gets traded, or he signs with another team in free agency.

xAIRNESSx · Post #39 » by **xAIRNESSx** » Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:31 pm

Bo has cut the flow

Read on Twitter

DelAbbot · Post #40 » by **DelAbbot** » Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:23 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
agkagk wrote:Hasn’t he led the league in hits since he entered the league going into last year….?

His trade value is probably higher mid season.

I’m ok trading him if we sign a stud this off season.

Otherwise…… veeeeeery shatkinsey

What will happen:

Shatkins will trade him for peanuts at his lowest value. The replacement will be another player who can't hit, to add to our roster of non-hitters. The Jays will win 60-70 games again and Ed Rogers will announce 10 year extensions for Shapiro and Atkins.

get ready for another Josh Donaldson type trade

trade or keep