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torontoaces04 wrote:Waylon Mercy wrote:Wow shocking....
Im gonna take and wait and see approach
But as of right now I lost a bit of confidence in AA
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Perhaps the greatest post ever. Way to contradict yourself there buddy! I'm considering changing this to my sig!!! GEM!
Randle McMurphy wrote:darth_federer wrote:I think he probably wanted a 3 year deal that they didnt think he was worth so they traded him away. The young guys all like him and hes a good guy in the clubhouse too.
Sounds like they didn't want to pay him what he was worth on an extension and traded him away. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course (especially if they are rebuilding...though we've been getting mixed messages on direction over the last year), but you have to expect more than Brett Lawrie in a deal like this.
-MetA4- wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:-MetA4- wrote:Why the **** do you keep saying "raw"?
Because he is a young guy has a ton of developing left to do to reach the major league level, both offensively and defensively. Basically, there's a lot of risk there. That should be obvious, no?
What prospect isn't "raw"?
MajorDad wrote: you guys should like Lawrie. he's the type of hitter who could advance to the majors from AA. his defense is suspect. and he's probably a better third baseman than second baseman. but hey ... he's a prospect.
Randle McMurphy wrote:-MetA4- wrote:Why the **** do you keep saying "raw"?
Because he is a young guy has a ton of developing left to do to reach the major league level, both offensively and defensively. Basically, there's a lot of risk there. That should be obvious, no?
Canadian high school hitter Brett Lawrie has been on fire as the Major League Baseball Amateur Draft approaches on June 5. He recently hit .486 (17-for-35) on Team Canada's national junior team's spring tour in the Dominican Republic, while playing against Major League Baseball Dominican Summer League teams. Lawrie had eight homers and 24 RBIs in total and was the talk of the baseball draft world after hitting five home runs in one day during a doubleheader last week. He sprayed the homers from foul pole to foul pole.
Thanks to the timely hitting, Lawrie may be selected within the first 15 picks of the draft, and is easily considered the top draft-eligible amateur in Canada. According to Baseball America, Lawrie possesses one of the most pro-ready bats amongst the prep ranks in North America.
stellation wrote:What's the difference between Gery Woelful and this glass of mineral water? The mineral water actually has a source."
I Hate Manure wrote:We look to be awful next season without Beasley.
Toronto Gets Premium Prospect For Less-Than-Premium Arm
Shaun Marcum has shown a lot of talent and a certain degree of success in his big-league career. But is he a premium level pitcher at this moment? The answer is no. He's a potentially very good pitcher over a full season, when healthy, who could thrive in the National League for Milwaukee. And it appears as of now that it didn't take a lot of quantity for the Brewers to acquire him. It did, however, take a quality chunk out of their farm system.
There may not be a long list of young talent heading to Toronto in exchange for Marcum, but Lawrie, the reported price for Marcum, comes equipped with a tremendous amount of upside. Still just 20 years old, Lawrie already has a solid minor-league track record, though the real value is in his power potential.
A strongly built righty hitter, Lawrie puts on a show in batting practice and in time will begin to bring that into game action. He uses his hands exceptionally well in his swing and shows advanced power to right-center field. Now at second base, the natural comparison to come up among scouts is Dan Uggla. While it's lofty, and Lawrie has a ways to go in refining his approach -- and particularly his defense -- that's the type of ceiling he has as an offensive player.
In time, Lawrie will consistently show 25-plus-home run power if things break right for him. As with most 20-year-old players there is some risk involved. His plate discipline and swings and misses will need to be dealt with, but this is the type of offensive upside you take a shot on any day of the week.
The Brewers have to be very certain Marcum can be an above-average producer as a second or third starter if they are to justify giving up a player like Lawrie. You could make the argument that there are highly comparable pitchers available on the free-agent market that may have cost significantly more money, but wouldn't cost them a player like Lawrie.
Frankie Piliere spent the last three seasons working as a scout, most recently in the professional scouting department for the Texas Rangers in 2009. He now serves as the National Baseball Analyst here at FanHouse.
Profanity wrote:This is why I question a Canadian team in our league. it's a govt conspiracy trina to sell all our milk to Russia. They let the raptors participate to not let canadians demand crossing taxes. it will backfire one day.
Yosemite Dan wrote:MajorDad wrote: you guys should like Lawrie. he's the type of hitter who could advance to the majors from AA. his defense is suspect. and he's probably a better third baseman than second baseman. but hey ... he's a prospect.
We won like 85 games last year. Is it that unrealistic to assume we can be a real contender in 2012 (or even next year?). How could it be bad for us to have a guy like Marcum in our rotation in 2012 or 2013. Especially if we get Grenke because that would tell me that AA wants to go for it in the next year or 2 and you can never have too much pitching so why throw away a proven starter for a prospect.
Yosemite Dan wrote:MajorDad wrote: you guys should like Lawrie. he's the type of hitter who could advance to the majors from AA. his defense is suspect. and he's probably a better third baseman than second baseman. but hey ... he's a prospect.
Well you pretty much summarized why alot of us don't like this trade. You don't give up a quality starting pitcher for a guy who COULD get to the major leagues and has suspect defense which doesn't bode well for a future infielder.
Marcum is 29 not 39 and he doesn't have alot of pitching mileage to begin with. Tommy John surgery is very common these days and is hardly the kiss of death for pitchers these days and Marcum's season last year proved he recovered quite well from it. You will have another at least 5-6 years of quality pitching from Marcum so to say that the Jays are rebuilding so they don't need him makes no sense unless the rebuilding plan is planned for another 5 or 6 years (ie low payroll). You guys won this trade, trust me, as Marcum is a warrior and any team would love him at the very least as a #3 starter in the playoffs.
We might as well trade Bautista right now because he's 29 so he's apparently 2 years away from the nursing home and we should sell high.
We won like 85 games last year. Is it that unrealistic to assume we can be a real contender in 2012 (or even next year?). How could it be bad for us to have a guy like Marcum in our rotation in 2012 or 2013. Especially if we get Grenke because that would tell me that AA wants to go for it in the next year or 2 and you can never have too much pitching so why throw away a proven starter for a prospect.
ItsDanger wrote:Prospect is someone who hasnt made the majors yet. Ken Griffey was a prospect when drafted, however, he was not raw. Raw prospect is really someone who has the tools but has a LOT to improve upon.
guvernator wrote:With the same team + halladay and rolen jays won 10 games less. Last year's 85 wins mean squat until we establish a core of this team. We dont even know what the jays have in Hill and Lind - supposedly team's 2 best hitters coming into the season. Dont fool yourself thinking that this team is ready to compete.
JP fell into the same trap repeatedly and look where that got us. This division has potentially 3 95 win teams ahead of us, which means jays need a lot of top level talent. That is what AA is trying to address.
If people liked AA's moves last year, they really have no right to be upset with this move because he is following the same MO.
Marcum is a middle of the rotation starter; If people think he is going to take the jays to the promise land then prepare to be even more befuddled over the coming year.
Like Pat Gillick said in an interview with mccown last month, Jays are not ready.
Yosemite Dan wrote:Again you make it sound like Marcum is some old workhorse pitcher and he's not. He has alot of years left and he could have easily won 20 games this year if he had the run support. If someone on this board proposed this trade 2 days ago, 99.9% of us would of said no **** way. Just because AA did it (or was pressured to do it which is more likely to avoid future payroll burdens, it's Rogers don't forget) does not make this trade any better.
Waylon Mercy wrote:Vernon Wells Twitter
"Shaun will be missed. He's a bulldog on the mound and the Brewcrew will love playing
behind him."
"Alex likes to do things outside the box. It should make to an interesting winter meetings!"
Avenger wrote:Amazing how many new fans Mr. 1.31 HR/9 innings has as soon as we trade him away