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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#241 » by Parataxis » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:19 am

Vlade's defense has improved so much. No way he makes that catch this time last year.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#242 » by Mr Swagtastic » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:19 am

What can't Vladdy do?
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#243 » by Boogie! » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:20 am

We did it vladdy
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#244 » by TOStateofMind » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:20 am

Do it all Vlad :D
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Post#245 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:21 am

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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#246 » by Brinbe » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:21 am

vladdy <3

give him all the money now
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#247 » by Schad » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:21 am

WuTang_OG wrote:Montoyo is a cheer leader coach.

Team got too good too fast.

They need a real manager. He wont take them over the top imo


Ned Yost and John Farrell both have rings.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#248 » by Madvillainy2004 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:24 am

Vlad literally doing it all, 3 homeruns and game winning catch on a rocket off Donaldson.
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Post#249 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:25 am

Schad wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Montoyo is a cheer leader coach.

Team got too good too fast.

They need a real manager. He wont take them over the top imo


Ned Yost and John Farrell both have rings.

we better hope he learns how to manage
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Post#250 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:26 am

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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#251 » by Stromile12 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:28 am

How much $$ is Vladdy going to command?

W.e it is, pay the man
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Post#252 » by Schad » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:30 am

WuTang_OG wrote:we better hope he learns how to manage


He doesn't need to be a good tactical manager in order for us to have a solid-to-good shot to win a title, he just needs to not be one of the worst tactical managers in modern baseball. The difference between the in-game effect of a 20th percentile manager and an 80th percentile is really limited. It's just the extreme outliers that matter to any great extent. Problem being that Charlie has, to date, been an extreme outlier, but the better the team (and in particular, the better the bullpen) the more difficult it becomes to **** things up to any substantive degree.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#253 » by tanuki1031 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:30 am

Right now we're watching the extended trailer / first six minutes of a Bay-esque movie where we get an intro action sequence with some notable character dying (our non-Manoah pitching) and then a lot of **** blowing up (our offense) which is a prelude to more **** blowing up (even more offense + pitchers finding the strike zone) as the movie rolls on 8-)

We're in for a treat, boys :nod:
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Post#254 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:37 am

Schad wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:we better hope he learns how to manage


He doesn't need to be a good tactical manager in order for us to have a solid-to-good shot to win a title, he just needs to not be one of the worst tactical managers in modern baseball. The difference between the in-game effect of a 20th percentile manager and an 80th percentile is really limited. It's just the extreme outliers that matter to any great extent. Problem being that Charlie has, to date, been an extreme outlier, but the better the team (and in particular, the better the bullpen) the more difficult it becomes to **** things up to any substantive degree.


For me you gotta be above average tactically no matter how talented your team to win the bigger games ie. playoffs.

So far throughout his tenure he's proven to be average or just below.

I worry for close games which there will be a bunch as season goes along + playoffs if we get there (hopefully)

It's warrantred critisim for him, hopoing he can figure it out
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#255 » by Fairview4Life » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:40 am

Schad wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:Montoyo is a cheer leader coach.

Team got too good too fast.

They need a real manager. He wont take them over the top imo


Ned Yost and John Farrell both have rings.


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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#256 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:41 am

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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#257 » by vaff87 » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:43 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
Schad wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:we better hope he learns how to manage


He doesn't need to be a good tactical manager in order for us to have a solid-to-good shot to win a title, he just needs to not be one of the worst tactical managers in modern baseball. The difference between the in-game effect of a 20th percentile manager and an 80th percentile is really limited. It's just the extreme outliers that matter to any great extent. Problem being that Charlie has, to date, been an extreme outlier, but the better the team (and in particular, the better the bullpen) the more difficult it becomes to **** things up to any substantive degree.


For me you gotta be above average tactically no matter how talented your team to win the bigger games ie. playoffs.

So far throughout his tenure he's proven to be average or just below.

I worry for close games which there will be a bunch as season goes along + playoffs if we get there (hopefully)

It's warrantred critisim for him, hopoing he can figure it out


He just gave you two examples of how this isn’t true.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#258 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:45 am

vaff87 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Schad wrote:
He doesn't need to be a good tactical manager in order for us to have a solid-to-good shot to win a title, he just needs to not be one of the worst tactical managers in modern baseball. The difference between the in-game effect of a 20th percentile manager and an 80th percentile is really limited. It's just the extreme outliers that matter to any great extent. Problem being that Charlie has, to date, been an extreme outlier, but the better the team (and in particular, the better the bullpen) the more difficult it becomes to **** things up to any substantive degree.


For me you gotta be above average tactically no matter how talented your team to win the bigger games ie. playoffs.

So far throughout his tenure he's proven to be average or just below.

I worry for close games which there will be a bunch as season goes along + playoffs if we get there (hopefully)

It's warrantred critisim for him, hopoing he can figure it out


He just gave you two examples of how this isn’t true.


that's not the norm dude. u gotta be able to manage If we wanted another gibby then they shoulda kept him.
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Post#259 » by Schad » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:48 am

WuTang_OG wrote:
For me you gotta be above average tactically no matter how talented your team to win the bigger games ie. playoffs.



You really don't, though. Plenty of mediocre and even outright bad managers have had playoff success. The difference between the optimal decision and the 2nd-best decision is maybe a handful runs a year. Between the optimal decision and the 3rd-best perhaps, I dunno, a couple wins in a 162 game season. Both can be overcome in the playoffs.

What you mostly have to avoid is galaxy-brain management where you routinely choose the literal worst option possible. Charlie does that quite a bit, and that was exacerbated last year when our bullpen was demolished by injury and the worst option was truly terrible. But in a deep 'pen where everyone is at least pretty good, even that would have much more limited impact.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (2 - 1) @ New York Yankees (2 - 1) - April 11-14, 2022 

Post#260 » by WuTang_CMB » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:51 am

Schad wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
For me you gotta be above average tactically no matter how talented your team to win the bigger games ie. playoffs.



You really don't, though. Plenty of mediocre and even outright bad managers have had playoff success. The difference between the optimal decision and the 2nd-best decision is maybe a handful runs a year. Between the optimal decision and the 3rd-best perhaps, I dunno, a couple wins in a 162 game season. Both can be overcome in the playoffs.

What you mostly have to avoid is galaxy-brain management where you routinely choose the literal worst option possible. Charlie does that quite a bit, and that was exacerbated last year when our bullpen was demolished by injury and the worst option was truly terrible. But in a deep 'pen where everyone is at least pretty good, even that would have much more limited impact.

the team wont win big if he continues with this
hoping this year is a different story

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