General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Off-Season

ESPN MLB insider Buster Olney joins us to chat about what he has heard about Vladdy's struggles from inside the Jays organization, why the Jays are not only team unhappy with their offense in the AL, if Schneider is on the hot seat, Votto returns from injury and hits a home run, the Reds leading the NL Central and more!

fbalmeida · Post #248 » by **fbalmeida** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:04 pm

In need of a scapegoat, I'm willing to suggest Don Mattingly as the source of the problem. Why not? He was the last guy in and he was a damned Yankee.

polo007 · Post #249 » by **polo007** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 11:10 pm

Toronto Blue Jays' John Schneider encouraged by reports on Alek Manoah; no timeline yet | TSN.ca

TORONTO — There's no firm date for pitcher Alek Manoah's return to the Toronto Blue Jays starting rotation.

Manoah was demoted to the rookie-level Florida Complex League on June 6 after a poor start to the regular season. He has been making progress at the team's training facility in Dunedin, Fla., but won't return until he's ready, Blue Jays manager John Schneider said Friday afternoon.

"There's no date," Schneider told reporters when asked for an update on Manoah. "I think watching and seeing how he responds, how he does all those things with the strike throwing, with the delivery, with the pitches per inning. There's no real timeframe."

"Again, the whole thing is to do what's best for him. Whenever that time is, is when it will be."

The 25-year-old right-hander was sent down after going 1-7 with a 6.36 earned-run average over 13 starts. Schneider said Manoah has been asked to focus on his delivery and throwing strikes.

"Everything video-wise and report-wise has been really trending in the right direction," said Schneider. "But those are the two main things, just getting back to where he was."

Manoah pitched five innings in a simulated game on Wednesday.

"It was 74 pitches, (velocity) was where it should be, up to 94 m.p.h.," said Schneider. "It was over 70 per cent strikes. Delivery looked pretty good. A lot of positive feedback."

Schneider said that Manoah is scheduled to have another official bullpen session and get at least one minor-league start, likely in one of the two Florida leagues, before returning to the Blue Jays rotation.

Given those requirements and with the fifth spot in Toronto's rotation only coming up once before the all-star break on July 11, it's unlikely that Manoah will return before the midsummer classic.

"It really will depend on how he's doing," said Schneider. "We told him from the get-go, we'll know when you're ready. You'll tell us when you're ready.

"It's not like anyone has circled a date on the calendar."

polo007 · Post #250 » by **polo007** » Sun Jun 25, 2023 10:08 pm

bluerap23 · Post #251 » by **bluerap23** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:41 pm

Where’s all the Pete walker slander now

Fairview4Life · Post #252 » by **Fairview4Life** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 7:01 pm

bluerap23 wrote:Where’s all the Pete walker slander now

In the complex league.

polo007 · Post #253 » by **polo007** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:32 pm

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Post #254 » by **Cyrus** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:52 pm

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Yeah he's not coming back for a while, 18 yearold jacking him . Though he was probably working on new stuff, they key metric should be is not what the outcome is, but is he locating the pitches exactly where he wants them to be.

Post #255 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:05 pm

Yikes.

Randle McMurphy · Post #256 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:36 pm

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To be expected really. His stuff wasn't good enough to get anybody out a few weeks ago and there was no reason to think that would have changed so quickly.

Guessing Wagner can stop talking about this guy pitching on Canada Day for the Jays now, though. We'll be very lucky if he pitches again for the major league team at all this year.

Parataxis · Post #257 » by **Parataxis** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 7:21 pm

Yeah, this isn't a great sign, but also, hopefully it's because he's working on specific things rather than trying to get outs.

At least now we're not going to hear people talking about calling him up ASAP. Let him take all the time that he needs.

What happens with his 2024 contract if he ends the season in the MiLB? I assume he doesn't get another guaranteed deal, right? Does he just because any other minor leaguer?

Raps in 4 · Post #258 » by **Raps in 4** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:31 pm

I'd be surprised if Alek pitches for the Jays again this season. I think he needs a mental and physical reset, and that'll take time.

SharoneWright · Post #259 » by **SharoneWright** » Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:30 am

"Obviously saw the line score but heard the things we were talking about in terms of strike throwing, delivery, tempo, velo was all positive," Blue Jays manager John Schneider said Tuesday in Toronto, according to the Toronto Sun. "The rest of the stuff you can kind of take it with a grain of salt.

polo007 · Post #260 » by **polo007** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:36 am

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