Madvillainy2004 wrote:Mad Max gave up 4 bombs today so could be worst lmao
and the cards blew a two-run lead in the 9th. there is some solace in knowing we're not the only dejected fanbase tonight.
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Madvillainy2004 wrote:Mad Max gave up 4 bombs today so could be worst lmao
galacticos2 wrote:MLB needs to introduce an Amnesty clause. Bautista would be my first victim.
Randle McMurphy wrote:Was at the game and the loud crowd understandably just died after the Suarez/Raleigh hits and never came close to recovering. Felt like that really hurt us and helped Seattle (in addition to Castillo just being on the entire time).
I also don’t particularly like the matchup tomorrow of this team against Gausman given his reverse splits and Seattle’s plethora of good RHBs. We are in trouble.
Lateral Quicks wrote:That's what I was afraid of... our young, swing-for-Mars-on-every-pitch hitters being overwhelmed by a good pitcher.
Manoah wasn't sharp, but he kept us in the game. The offense simply needs to be better.
vaff87 wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:Was at the game and the loud crowd understandably just died after the Suarez/Raleigh hits and never came close to recovering. Felt like that really hurt us and helped Seattle (in addition to Castillo just being on the entire time).
I also don’t particularly like the matchup tomorrow of this team against Gausman given his reverse splits and Seattle’s plethora of good RHBs. We are in trouble.
On the other hand, we have line up full of righties and Robbie Ray gave up 28 home runs to righties this year.
Also, I wouldn’t have wanted to sit where you sat. Just because I’m not a huge fan of heights.
vaff87 wrote:Lateral Quicks wrote:That's what I was afraid of... our young, swing-for-Mars-on-every-pitch hitters being overwhelmed by a good pitcher.
Manoah wasn't sharp, but he kept us in the game. The offense simply needs to be better.
This is just a myth. We had the highest batting average in the majors, and the 5th lowest strikeout rate. The idea that we swing for the fences all the time is just totally false.
Hottie McShotty wrote:vaff87 wrote:Lateral Quicks wrote:That's what I was afraid of... our young, swing-for-Mars-on-every-pitch hitters being overwhelmed by a good pitcher.
Manoah wasn't sharp, but he kept us in the game. The offense simply needs to be better.
This is just a myth. We had the highest batting average in the majors, and the 5th lowest strikeout rate. The idea that we swing for the fences all the time is just totally false.
It's not a myth. We've been mashing on average to poor pitching. I'd like to see what our avg is against good pitching.
vaff87 wrote:Hottie McShotty wrote:vaff87 wrote:
This is just a myth. We had the highest batting average in the majors, and the 5th lowest strikeout rate. The idea that we swing for the fences all the time is just totally false.
It's not a myth. We've been mashing on average to poor pitching. I'd like to see what our avg is against good pitching.
So does everybody. Nobody hits good pitching.
How about this, we scored 10 runs off Gerrit Cole this year in 18 innings. We scored 9 runs in 10.1 innings this year vs Shane Bieber. We scored 6 runs in 8.2 innings off Zack Wheeler. We scored 10 runs in 18.2 innings off Luis Severino.
Regardless, nobody in baseball consistently hits good pitching. Why this needs to be explained to you is beyond me.
vaff87 wrote:Lateral Quicks wrote:That's what I was afraid of... our young, swing-for-Mars-on-every-pitch hitters being overwhelmed by a good pitcher.
Manoah wasn't sharp, but he kept us in the game. The offense simply needs to be better.
This is just a myth. We had the highest batting average in the majors, and the 5th lowest strikeout rate. The idea that we swing for the fences all the time is just totally false.
Lateral Quicks wrote:We scored 775 runs this year, which works out to 4.78 runs per game. Here is a quick manual count of games where we scored less than the average:
0 runs: 8 games
1 run: 11 games
2 runs: 19 games
3 runs: 26 games
4 runs: 21 games
So that's ~40% of our games where we scored 3 runs or less, and ~52% where we scored 4 runs or less. We won 57% of our games overall.
I can't draw any conclusions from just looking at one team... will try looking at a few teams in a spreadsheet later if I have time.
Schad wrote:Lateral Quicks wrote:We scored 775 runs this year, which works out to 4.78 runs per game. Here is a quick manual count of games where we scored less than the average:
0 runs: 8 games
1 run: 11 games
2 runs: 19 games
3 runs: 26 games
4 runs: 21 games
So that's ~40% of our games where we scored 3 runs or less, and ~52% where we scored 4 runs or less. We won 57% of our games overall.
I can't draw any conclusions from just looking at one team... will try looking at a few teams in a spreadsheet later if I have time.
Our run distribution is actually less variable than most. The other good AL offenses:
The Yankees:
0: 12.
1: 25.
2: 25.
3: 16.
4: 13.
48% of games they scored 3 or fewer, 56% 4 or fewer.
Astros:
0: 11.
1: 14.
2: 20.
3: 27.
4: 21.
44% of games they scored 3 or fewer, 57% they scored 4 or fewer.
Mariners:
0: 12.
1: 17.
2: 28.
3: 16.
4: 18.
45% of games they scored 3 or fewer, 56% they scored 4 or fewer.
Of the four teams, we had the fewest number of instances where we were shut out, were held to 1 run less than the other three, same with 2 runs, same with 3 runs, same with 4 runs.
This again gets back to the seemingly unshakable myth about this team: that we're a high-variance, feast-or-famine power team. When in reality we led the majors in batting average (comfortably, I might add), and to the extent that we have any issues offensively, it's that we should be hitting more home runs. We just had a bad game at a really inopportune time.
The idea of losing a series to Tampa was horrifying. In hindsight maybe they were the better opportent?Schad wrote:And the Rays, who none of us wanted to see and considered strong favourites over Cleveland, are currently 3 for 42 at the plate in their series. The good and bad of baseball is that it's highly unpredictable, and doesn't lend itself to easy narratives.
RalphWiggum wrote:The idea of losing a series to Tampa was horrifying. In hindsight maybe they were the better opportent?Schad wrote:And the Rays, who none of us wanted to see and considered strong favourites over Cleveland, are currently 3 for 42 at the plate in their series. The good and bad of baseball is that it's highly unpredictable, and doesn't lend itself to easy narratives.
Hottie McShotty wrote:vaff87 wrote:Hottie McShotty wrote:
It's not a myth. We've been mashing on average to poor pitching. I'd like to see what our avg is against good pitching.
So does everybody. Nobody hits good pitching.
How about this, we scored 10 runs off Gerrit Cole this year in 18 innings. We scored 9 runs in 10.1 innings this year vs Shane Bieber. We scored 6 runs in 8.2 innings off Zack Wheeler. We scored 10 runs in 18.2 innings off Luis Severino.
Regardless, nobody in baseball consistently hits good pitching. Why this needs to be explained to you is beyond me.
Keep banging your head. Maybe that will knock some sense into you. Your explanations don't make sense. Good hitting teams will find ways to hit good pitching and win big games. The Jays’ offence was the problem in Game 1 loss to the Mariners. This team has underperformed all season long. Don't let the seasonal stats fool you.
Schad wrote:Lateral Quicks wrote:We scored 775 runs this year, which works out to 4.78 runs per game. Here is a quick manual count of games where we scored less than the average:
0 runs: 8 games
1 run: 11 games
2 runs: 19 games
3 runs: 26 games
4 runs: 21 games
So that's ~40% of our games where we scored 3 runs or less, and ~52% where we scored 4 runs or less. We won 57% of our games overall.
I can't draw any conclusions from just looking at one team... will try looking at a few teams in a spreadsheet later if I have time.
Our run distribution is actually less variable than most. The other good AL offenses:
The Yankees:
0: 12.
1: 25.
2: 25.
3: 16.
4: 13.
48% of games they scored 3 or fewer, 56% 4 or fewer.
Astros:
0: 11.
1: 14.
2: 20.
3: 27.
4: 21.
44% of games they scored 3 or fewer, 57% they scored 4 or fewer.
Mariners:
0: 12.
1: 17.
2: 28.
3: 16.
4: 18.
45% of games they scored 3 or fewer, 56% they scored 4 or fewer.
Of the four teams, we had the fewest number of instances where we were shut out, were held to 1 run less than the other three, same with 2 runs, same with 3 runs, same with 4 runs.
This again gets back to the seemingly unshakable myth about this team: that we're a high-variance, feast-or-famine power team. When in reality we led the majors in batting average (comfortably, I might add), and to the extent that we have any issues offensively, it's that we should be hitting more home runs. We just had a bad game at a really inopportune time.
Hottie McShotty wrote:It's not a myth. We've been mashing on average to poor pitching. I'd like to see what our avg is against good pitching.