2019-20 Offseason Thread

polo007 · Post #281 » by **polo007** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:43 pm

phillipmike · Post #282 » by **phillipmike** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:50 pm

3M per on this guy

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-stove-japanese-right-hander-shun-yamaguchi-will-be-posted-for-mlb-teams-this-offseason/

Was considered a 6.6 WAR pitcher last season according to DeltaGraphs.

MLB Comp is Mike Fiers.

dagger · Post #283 » by **dagger** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:17 pm

Read on Twitter

dagger · Post #284 » by **dagger** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:36 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #285 » by **Schad** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:37 pm

His name is an anagram of both Ugh, Icy Anus Ham and Anguish Ya Much!?, so I don't really care if he's good at baseball.

No problem with the deal, though I am again less and less sure why Chase Anderson is a thing.

dagger · Post #286 » by **dagger** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:06 pm

Read on Twitter

And1Skip · Post #287 » by **And1Skip** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:18 pm

https://www.sanspo.com/baseball/news/20191218/mlb19121804000003-n1.html

Translate the article to english - confirms its $3M per year.

Wo1verine · Post #288 » by **Wo1verine** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:41 pm

Who is expected to be better him or Kwang-hyun Kim?

Wo1verine · Post #289 » by **Wo1verine** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:46 pm

Schad wrote:His name is an anagram of both Ugh, Icy Anus Ham and Anguish Ya Much!?, so I don't really care if he's good at baseball.

No problem with the deal, though I am again less and less sure why Chase Anderson is a thing.

I question the thinking of management - That's $27M give or take this year to Shun, Roark and Anderson.

Quantity over quality?

Davey0 · Post #290 » by **Davey0** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:53 pm

If they Jays can get Kwang-hyun Kim. There starting rotation could be surprising... okay? lol

Like the singing. Nice and shocked they somehow convinced a international player to sign in Toronto ( Im not Biased ! lol ).

Nice deal. Would like to know more about him. Either way its an addition to the Jays. Hopefully good lol.

BigLeagueChew · Post #291 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:55 pm

The_Hater wrote:
Buerhle was on the 1st playoff team with Price, who did pitch like an ace for the 2 months we had him. Not to mention he replaced Drew Hutchison in the rotation, who was awful.

The 2nd team traded for Liriano which gave us Estrada, Happ, Sanchez, Liriano, Stroman and Dickey. Stroman and Dickey were around league average SP’s and the other 4 were well above that level. Even without an ace, as a group they were quite strong which of course if great for the regular season but not as ideal in the playoffs.

Hoping we found another Happ or Estrada again. At the time I thought Lind for Estrada was a salary dump.

fbalmeida · Post #292 » by **fbalmeida** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:09 pm

If the scouting report on Yamaguchi is correct: low 90's fastball and offspeed stuff strikeout pitcher, he sure sounds like a lot of fun.

BigLeagueChew · Post #293 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:25 pm

Watch on YouTube

polo007 · Post #294 » by **polo007** » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:25 pm

Read on Twitter

polo007 · Post #295 » by **polo007** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:26 am

Toronto Blue Jays president Mark Shapiro joined Tim and Sid to talk about the reports that the Jays have signed Shun Yamaguchi, building a young roster and much more.

Watch on YouTube

dagger · Post #296 » by **dagger** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:56 am

Wo1verine wrote:
Schad wrote:His name is an anagram of both Ugh, Icy Anus Ham and Anguish Ya Much!?, so I don't really care if he's good at baseball.

No problem with the deal, though I am again less and less sure why Chase Anderson is a thing.

I question the thinking of management - That's $27M give or take this year to Shun, Roark and Anderson.

Quantity over quality?

These are all two year deals, and so called quality - a single starter earning $27 million per - would likely demand and get four, five or even more years at that rate or higher. Maybe you could front load things, but the back end is going to smell like week old dead fish on a hot day. And it's going to get us a premium start one out of every six starts and get the Jas up to, what, 75 wins? Ultimately, it's got to be organic growth that gets us into a position to consider such a premium pay. When maybe a couple of our good young starters provide two-fifths or three-fifths of a quality rotation on the cheap, an investment via free agency or trade in an ace will make a lot of sense. Right now, not so much.

Tanner · Post #297 » by **Tanner** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:34 am

These moves make sense if 2020 is going to be another rebuilding season, and that Shapiro interview seemed to suggest that it will be. I was screaming for them to take advantage of the down free agent market for the past two off seasons but they did not. Now they are trying to be buyers after the market corrected itself. They are going to strike out badly. Which is fine if they intend to use 2020 as a building season anyway. You can't follow the market, you have to zig when everyone else zags. Everyone is buying now, so go with the value driven approach.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #298 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:37 pm

Tanner wrote:These moves make sense if 2020 is going to be another rebuilding season, and that Shapiro interview seemed to suggest that it will be. I was screaming for them to take advantage of the down free agent market for the past two off seasons but they did not. Now they are trying to be buyers after the market corrected itself. They are going to strike out badly. Which is fine if they intend to use 2020 as a building season anyway. You can't follow the market, you have to zig when everyone else zags. Everyone is buying now, so go with the value driven approach.

It's only a good value if you want/need whatever you're buying in the first place. Adding some veterans who wouldn't move the needle last season and would likely be terrible from 2021 on doesn't necessarily help anything as the bulk of the value obtained there is in seasons where it wouldn't mean anything to the Jays. And value on two year contracts last season would have been extremely limited, too. It's not like there are a load of contracts out there that were signed the past few years where I can say that I wish the Jays would have beaten that offer and signed that player and other than last season the Jays still had some pretty massive contracts on the books.

I'm fine with the team not spending the last few seasons and if the market suddenly heats up now, I'm fine with them waiting still. Eventually the market will cool off again and the Jays will have a better team that's more worth spending on.

Post #299 » by **Schad** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 4:30 pm

Yeah, there are a number of FAs we could have signed in 2019 that would have helped us in that season, maybe this season, and with an outside shot of them helping in 2021. But at least two of those seasons were never going to matter. There was no orgiastic sending binge that could make us a contender in 2019, and it's dubious we could build a contender in 2020, either.

So should we regret that we didn't sign a Lance Lynn or a Charlie Morton? I mean, kinda, but only insofar as we could be trading them for more prospect value this offseason. There aren't many FAs signed in the past two years that I can point to and say that we missed an opportunity to demonstrably improve our lot when we're back in compete mode.

James_Raptors · Post #300 » by **James_Raptors** » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:35 pm

I need a higher tier than a +1 for "orgiastic".