World Series Game 3 - Toronto at LA - The Comebackening

[ItsDanger]

Myles Straw should look up who Brett Butler is

[Madvillainy2004]

Should have managed for the 18th in the 8th inning, yeah

It's just that simple

Probably should’ve brought Bieber out in the 8th inning too, because hey why manage for tomorrow? Beiber has “elite set up man skills“

I would have brought Bieber in over Little myself, yeah

Im kinda meh on that maybe if we had the lead id bring in bieber to close but once Heineman struck out we soft conceded the game lol

[Randle McMurphy]

Also do people realize Barger got subbed out in the 8th with 1 on no out? lmao the odds of his spot even coming back up shouldn't even be in your mind there lmao it only looks bad cause this was the longest game in WS history

As I said, totally standard pinch run decision given the game context yeah

But people wanted this guy to manage for the 18th in the 8th inning

[brwnman]

Yes. By leaving in Barger.

Part of managing is keeping some of your powder dry. It’s not blowing your wad early. It’s not putting all of your eggs in one basket in a game that is clearly going to extra innings. Especially when your substitution changed basically nothing….

Why was it clear that it’s going to extras?

It wasn't and nobody should ever manage a tied WS game just assuming there will be extras

But nobody is willing to admit that now, need their scapegoat

It’s a ridiculous notion to assume a game is going to extras in that scenario.

[Randle McMurphy]

Probably should’ve brought Bieber out in the 8th inning too, because hey why manage for tomorrow? Beiber has “elite set up man skills“

I would have brought Bieber in over Little myself, yeah

Im kinda meh on that maybe if we had the lead id bring in bieber to close but once Heineman struck out we soft conceded the game lol

I have little confidence in Bieber tomorrow anyway, so would have been fine with another bullpen game

Though I still trust him more than Little, I'd say

[brwnman]

It happened way earlier but who knows how this game goes if Varsho walk counted and Kirk up.

Let's not bring up Bo Bichette walking off a base after a strike without knowing whether it was actually a strike, I'd rather not think about that idiocy again

Not sure why Varsho flipped the bat after hearing a strike call confusing Bo further. -2 WAR for Varsho there.

[Madvillainy2004]

Also do people realize Barger got subbed out in the 8th with 1 on no out? lmao the odds of his spot even coming back up shouldn't even be in your mind there lmao it only looks bad cause this was the longest game in WS history

As I said, totally standard pinch run decision given the game context yeah

But people wanted this guy to manage for the 18th in the 8th inning

The only way Straw was supposed to bat this game (and youd think it'd be 1 at most) is if things went insanely well or you have a super long extra innings game. But knowing our pen he thought wed close it out or if we didnt score we werent gonna win anyways. But apparently if we got walked off in the 9th John looks better cause Straw doesnt bench.

Also we lost a .950 OPS bat in the biggest spot of the game. Blaming John for this is crazy and im the last guy that'll jump to defend him.

[Randle McMurphy]

It happened way earlier but who knows how this game goes if Varsho walk counted and Kirk up.

Let's not bring up Bo Bichette walking off a base after a strike without knowing whether it was actually a strike, I'd rather not think about that idiocy again

Not sure why Varsho flipped the bat after hearing a strike call confusing Bo further. -2 WAR for Varsho there.

If you'll watch the replay, you'll see it's because he saw Bichette started walking to 2B himself for no actual reason lol

[SharoneWright]

Why was it clear that it’s going to extras?

It wasn't and nobody should ever manage a tied WS game just assuming there will be extras

But nobody is willing to admit that now, need their scapegoat

It’s a ridiculous notion to assume a game is going to extras in that scenario.

So you assumed we would score. I see. And you were prepared to burn everything down based on that assumption. Got it. And you’re not ridiculous.

[brwnman]

I think Schneider is a bad manager but he didn’t do anything wrong this game. It came out to the last 2 relievers for both teams. Klein wasn’t even on the roster in the last series for the Dodgers and threw 4 shutout innings and they worked around some danger.

Jays threw 10 innings of bullpen shutout and Freeman ran into one. The game would have been over earlier if the night air didn’t hold the Will Smith and Teo balls in the ballpark.

[brwnman]

Let's not bring up Bo Bichette walking off a base after a strike without knowing whether it was actually a strike, I'd rather not think about that idiocy again

Not sure why Varsho flipped the bat after hearing a strike call confusing Bo further. -2 WAR for Varsho there.

If you'll watch the replay, you'll see it's because he saw Bichette started walking to 2B himself for no actual reason lol

But he heard the strike. Paused. Processed. And still threw the bat. It was very confusing to watch. But my default position is to blame Varsho for everything bad, so will continue to do that.

[Randle McMurphy]

Also do people realize Barger got subbed out in the 8th with 1 on no out? lmao the odds of his spot even coming back up shouldn't even be in your mind there lmao it only looks bad cause this was the longest game in WS history

As I said, totally standard pinch run decision given the game context yeah

But people wanted this guy to manage for the 18th in the 8th inning

The only way Straw was supposed to bat this game (and youd think it'd be 1 at most) is if things went insanely well or you have a super long extra innings game. But knowing our pen he thought wed close it out or if we didnt score we werent gonna win anyways. But apparently if we got walked off in the 9th John looks better cause Straw doesnt bench.

Also we lost a .950 OPS bat in the biggest spot of the game. Blaming John for this is crazy and im the last guy that'll jump to defend him.

Every managing decision that game made complete sense in the context of the game to me except the Dominguez pitching to Shohei thing

The Jays just don't really have a solution to that problem right now other than just walking him though, even Fluharty couldn't get him out tonight. I can live with it

[Randle McMurphy]

Not sure why Varsho flipped the bat after hearing a strike call confusing Bo further. -2 WAR for Varsho there.

If you'll watch the replay, you'll see it's because he saw Bichette started walking to 2B himself for no actual reason lol

But he heard the strike. Paused. Processed. And still threw the bat. It was very confusing to watch. But my default position is to blame Varsho for everything bad, so will continue to do that.

That game is over in like the 15th (or whatever inning that was) if Varsho didn't make an insane catch on a dead sprint in the gap

I'd have gotten an extra two hours of sleep though, so Varsho cost us that too if you think about it

[Madvillainy2004]

As I said, totally standard pinch run decision given the game context yeah

But people wanted this guy to manage for the 18th in the 8th inning

The only way Straw was supposed to bat this game (and youd think it'd be 1 at most) is if things went insanely well or you have a super long extra innings game. But knowing our pen he thought wed close it out or if we didnt score we werent gonna win anyways. But apparently if we got walked off in the 9th John looks better cause Straw doesnt bench.

Also we lost a .950 OPS bat in the biggest spot of the game. Blaming John for this is crazy and im the last guy that'll jump to defend him.

Every managing decision that game made complete sense in the context of the game to me except the Dominguez pitching to Shohei thing

The Jays just don't really have a solution to that problem right now other than just walking him though, even Fluharty couldn't get him out tonight. I can live with it

Yeah thats the only one I wouldve changed lol

[Madvillainy2004]

Also for Varsho good chance he didnt hear the strike call cause it was so loud + it was super late + it was a mile outside the zone.

[brwnman]

If you'll watch the replay, you'll see it's because he saw Bichette started walking to 2B himself for no actual reason lol

But he heard the strike. Paused. Processed. And still threw the bat. It was very confusing to watch. But my default position is to blame Varsho for everything bad, so will continue to do that.

That game is over in like the 15th (or whatever inning that was) if Varsho didn't make an insane catch on a dead sprint in the gap

I'd have gotten an extra two hours of sleep though, so Varsho cost us that too if you think about it

If Varsho makes the routine catch on that Ohtani double, game might have been over 3 1/2 hours earlier, so Varsho cost us that too.

[Randle McMurphy]

Also for Varsho good chance he didnt hear the strike call cause it was so loud + it was super late + it was a mile outside the zone.

Was also almost an identical location to the previous pitch that was called a ball lol

That umpire was definitely trash

[brwnman]

Also for Varsho good chance he didnt hear the strike call cause it was so loud + it was super late + it was a mile outside the zone.

He heard it, that’s why he paused. And it actually wasn’t super delayed. He assumed it was a ball (and it was), but that one got called a strike the entire game for both sides.

[Randle McMurphy]

Also for Varsho good chance he didnt hear the strike call cause it was so loud + it was super late + it was a mile outside the zone.

He heard it, that’s why he paused. And it actually wasn’t super delayed. He assumed it was a ball (and it was), but that one got called a strike the entire game for both sides.

Except for the previous pitch just before it in the same spot (or inches to the right) that was called a ball

It was after that point that the ump started calling every high strike to remain consistent in his trash calling

[Madvillainy2004]

Not to be the excuses guy but like if Springer and Bo are healthy we probably dont go to 18 anyways. We got put in a nigntmare scenario of Bo/Springer not hitting for literally a games worth of at bats. Gotta manage with what you got but its a tall task to beat this Dodgers team and when were on fumes it feels impossible lol and we still basically pitched a shut out on them