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Post#2841 » by pingpongrac » Yesterday 2:21 pm

CPT wrote:It’s hard to tell what kind of impact this 18 inning games will have on the rest of the series.

Both teams emptied their bullpens (maybe LA slightly more so?) and there will be a physical and mental toll on the both rosters.

Maybe it’s too silver lining, but the Jays hung around for 18 innings under less than ideal conditions.

I would love to see it serve as a rallying cry with LA coming out kind of flat. Jays win game 4 and retake the momentum. At the same time, I can’t say I’d be surprised if the Jays just fold and don’t even make it back to Toronto.

We’ll see what happens in game 4.


You have to wonder if an 18-inning game where Ohtani was on base 250 times has any effect on his pitching tonight, especially considering there were two instances where he came up wincing on base. If the bats can get to him early and/or make him throw a lot of pitches, it could get really interesting late.

Either way, it was always going to be tough against the Dodgers. With a hobbled Bo and more than likely no Springer now, it becomes damn-near impossible down 2-1; however, this team has consistently played at their best with their backs against the wall when everyone is counting them out, so I’m going to believe there is at least a slim chance until the final out in the clinching game.
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Post#2842 » by NinjaBro » Yesterday 2:31 pm

I dozed off 3 times last night. Went to bed angry at the clown show I was watching. Can't believe so many people are defending Schneider for his clown moves. You really have to do some real mental gymnastics to defend all the moves he made last night. The most aggregious was pulling Bassitt when he was locked in to have Rodriguez throw a meatball down the middle for Shohei.

Everyone and their grandmother knew Shohei was having one of those games. All his hits were home runs and extra bases. They ended the night just walking him anyways. Why not Bassitt walk him then?
I was screaming in the 8th, gotta walk him.

Also wtf were the base running coaches doing all night. Were they sleeping? Total clown show last night. Glad I had fallen asleep for the walk off HR.
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Post#2843 » by PushDaRock » Yesterday 2:39 pm

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Randle McMurphy wrote:Let's not bring up Bo Bichette walking off a base after a strike without knowing whether it was actually a strike, I'd rather not think about that idiocy again


Not sure why Varsho flipped the bat after hearing a strike call confusing Bo further. -2 WAR for Varsho there.

If you'll watch the replay, you'll see it's because he saw Bichette started walking to 2B himself for no actual reason lol


MVP's are held to a higher standard and can't be going brain dead like that.
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Post#2844 » by Parataxis » Yesterday 2:50 pm

NinjaBro wrote:I dozed off 3 times last night. Went to bed angry at the clown show I was watching. Can't believe so many people are defending Schneider for his clown moves. You really have to do some real mental gymnastics to defend all the moves he made last night. The most aggregious was pulling Bassitt when he was locked in to have Rodriguez throw a meatball down the middle for Shohei.

Everyone and their grandmother knew Shohei was having one of those games. All his hits were home runs and extra bases. They ended the night just walking him anyways. Why not Bassitt walk him then?
I was screaming in the 8th, gotta walk him.


Huh? Bassitt finished the 8th and was replaced by Hoffman in the 9th (which was a mistake, I think). Rodriguez isn't even on the roster.
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Post#2845 » by NinjaBro » Yesterday 2:53 pm

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NinjaBro wrote:I dozed off 3 times last night. Went to bed angry at the clown show I was watching. Can't believe so many people are defending Schneider for his clown moves. You really have to do some real mental gymnastics to defend all the moves he made last night. The most aggregious was pulling Bassitt when he was locked in to have Rodriguez throw a meatball down the middle for Shohei.

Everyone and their grandmother knew Shohei was having one of those games. All his hits were home runs and extra bases. They ended the night just walking him anyways. Why not Bassitt walk him then?
I was screaming in the 8th, gotta walk him.


Huh? Bassitt finished the 8th and was replaced by Hoffman in the 9th (which was a mistake, I think). Rodriguez isn't even on the roster.
You know full well I was talking about Dominguez
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Post#2846 » by dagger » Yesterday 2:55 pm

I think an 18-inning World Series game does a disservice to baseball. The Manfred Man is fine with me in post-season games, certainly after say, 12 innings. Most of the audience gave up after midnight.

The only slight silver lining is that Schneider pulled most of his best hitters early, so the Jays may actually be the better rested team.

Someone explain to me the fixation with pinch-running for Barger, as if he is slow on the base paths (he is certainly adequately fast) or a liability in the outfield, which he is not. Straw is a little faster and a better defender, but not enough for me to pull a guy who is hitting rather well in this series.
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Post#2847 » by brwnman » Yesterday 2:58 pm

NinjaBro wrote:I dozed off 3 times last night. Went to bed angry at the clown show I was watching. Can't believe so many people are defending Schneider for his clown moves. You really have to do some real mental gymnastics to defend all the moves he made last night. The most aggregious was pulling Bassitt when he was locked in to have Rodriguez throw a meatball down the middle for Shohei.

Everyone and their grandmother knew Shohei was having one of those games. All his hits were home runs and extra bases. They ended the night just walking him anyways. Why not Bassitt walk him then?
I was screaming in the 8th, gotta walk him.

Also wtf were the base running coaches doing all night. Were they sleeping? Total clown show last night. Glad I had fallen asleep for the walk off HR.


There are no mental gymnastics, just normal baseball moves. You don't generally put the tying run on base and bring the winning run to the plate. A homerun with the tying run only ties the game. A homerun with the winning run, wins the game for the other team.
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Post#2848 » by aminiaturebuddha » Yesterday 3:01 pm

Despite all the suckiness of last night, one small thing I appreciated - the organist at Dodger Stadium playing the theme to The NeverEnding Story at one point in the 18th inning. Nice touch. Tip of the cap to that organist. That at least gave me a little chuckle at 3 in the morning.
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Post#2849 » by SFour » Yesterday 3:03 pm

Jays were severely handicapped without Springer and Bo....imagine if Dodgers didn't have 2 of their top guys, we'd be going to 20+ innings.

Then you also remove Kirk and Barger on top of that....you basically have to fluke your way into a win. And they almost did with the bases loaded and a 3-2 count.
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Post#2850 » by Mad Prophet » Yesterday 3:04 pm

dagger wrote:I think an 18-inning World Series game does a disservice to baseball. The Manfred Man is fine with me in post-season games, certainly after say, 12 innings. Most of the audience gave up after midnight.

The only slight silver lining is that Schneider pulled most of his best hitters early, so the Jays may actually be the better rested team.

Someone explain to me the fixation with pinch-running for Barger, as if he is slow on the base paths (he is certainly adequately fast) or a liability in the outfield, which he is not. Straw is a little faster and a better defender, but not enough for me to pull a guy who is hitting rather well in this series.


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Barger saved a run at the plate with a throw that nobody on this team makes.
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Post#2851 » by JN » Yesterday 3:10 pm

All the moves to bring in players made sense except for Barger.

If the Jays had the lead when he was pulled perhaps it makes more sense.. get a little more speed and D. But the game was still tied it was not a massive speed upgrade, and Barger was still going to have to come up one more time in the 8th/9th... spot came up in the 8th.

That move was overmanaging just to make moves.
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Post#2852 » by aminiaturebuddha » Yesterday 3:11 pm

SFour wrote:Jays were severely handicapped without Springer and Bo....imagine if Dodgers didn't have 2 of their top guys, we'd be going to 20+ innings.

Then you also remove Kirk and Barger on top of that....you basically have to fluke your way into a win. And they almost did with the bases loaded and a 3-2 count.


Yeah, I feel fairly confident that the Jays would have won that game if Springer and Bo had been healthy. Even having Santander to pinch hit would have been nice. It sucks. I feel a little cheated that we're not seeing this Jays team at the best they could be.
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Post#2853 » by brwnman » Yesterday 3:13 pm

Mad Prophet wrote:
dagger wrote:I think an 18-inning World Series game does a disservice to baseball. The Manfred Man is fine with me in post-season games, certainly after say, 12 innings. Most of the audience gave up after midnight.

The only slight silver lining is that Schneider pulled most of his best hitters early, so the Jays may actually be the better rested team.

Someone explain to me the fixation with pinch-running for Barger, as if he is slow on the base paths (he is certainly adequately fast) or a liability in the outfield, which he is not. Straw is a little faster and a better defender, but not enough for me to pull a guy who is hitting rather well in this series.


+100

Barger saved a run at the plate with a throw that nobody on this team makes.


No one throws as hard as Barger from RF, but Lukes and likely Straw make that play. It was Freeman running, as long as the throw was true, he was out.
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Post#2854 » by JN » Yesterday 3:14 pm

dagger wrote:I think an 18-inning World Series game does a disservice to baseball. The Manfred Man is fine with me in post-season games, certainly after say, 12 innings. Most of the audience gave up after midnight.

The only slight silver lining is that Schneider pulled most of his best hitters early, so the Jays may actually be the better rested team.

Someone explain to me the fixation with pinch-running for Barger, as if he is slow on the base paths (he is certainly adequately fast) or a liability in the outfield, which he is not. Straw is a little faster and a better defender, but not enough for me to pull a guy who is hitting rather well in this series.


I'm fine with extras in playoffs. Teams are getting a day off every 2 or 3 days, so they can recover, and both deal with same consequences. The 9th-12th pitchers are rarely used in playoffs so this forces teams to show their whole roster -- something they actually had to do to get to the playoffs in the first place.
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Post#2855 » by brwnman » Yesterday 3:16 pm

dagger wrote:I think an 18-inning World Series game does a disservice to baseball. The Manfred Man is fine with me in post-season games, certainly after say, 12 innings. Most of the audience gave up after midnight.

The only slight silver lining is that Schneider pulled most of his best hitters early, so the Jays may actually be the better rested team.

Someone explain to me the fixation with pinch-running for Barger, as if he is slow on the base paths (he is certainly adequately fast) or a liability in the outfield, which he is not. Straw is a little faster and a better defender, but not enough for me to pull a guy who is hitting rather well in this series.


As much as I considered myself a baseball purist, I have come around to Manfred Man. I like the idea after 12 innings in a post-season game. I think have position players pitch or having to pitch Bieber there and go with a bullpen game in Game 4 would have not been fun for a World Series game.
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Post#2856 » by Boogie! » Yesterday 3:25 pm

It sucks how the last run the dodgers scored before extras was the shohei homer. At the time I was like yeah **** pitch to him, but Dominguez serves up a meatball fastball that Shohei doesn’t miss… I thought to myself the odds that this guy hits another homer are super low, you have to take your chances here, don’t put another runner on base… of course he hits the game trying homer… **** sucks man
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Post#2857 » by Parataxis » Yesterday 3:30 pm

NinjaBro wrote:
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NinjaBro wrote:I dozed off 3 times last night. Went to bed angry at the clown show I was watching. Can't believe so many people are defending Schneider for his clown moves. You really have to do some real mental gymnastics to defend all the moves he made last night. The most aggregious was pulling Bassitt when he was locked in to have Rodriguez throw a meatball down the middle for Shohei.

Everyone and their grandmother knew Shohei was having one of those games. All his hits were home runs and extra bases. They ended the night just walking him anyways. Why not Bassitt walk him then?
I was screaming in the 8th, gotta walk him.


Huh? Bassitt finished the 8th and was replaced by Hoffman in the 9th (which was a mistake, I think). Rodriguez isn't even on the roster.
You know full well I was talking about Dominguez



But we also didn't pull Bassitt for Dominguez. Bassitt came in, pitched a full inning, and was replaced by Hoffman at the start of the 9th.
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Post#2858 » by Eating a Book » Yesterday 3:32 pm

Parataxis wrote:
NinjaBro wrote:
Parataxis wrote:
Huh? Bassitt finished the 8th and was replaced by Hoffman in the 9th (which was a mistake, I think). Rodriguez isn't even on the roster.
You know full well I was talking about Dominguez



But we also didn't pull Bassitt for Dominguez. Bassitt came in, pitched a full inning, and was replaced by Hoffman at the start of the 9th.


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Post#2860 » by Madvillainy2004 » Yesterday 3:50 pm

NinjaBro wrote:I dozed off 3 times last night. Went to bed angry at the clown show I was watching. Can't believe so many people are defending Schneider for his clown moves. You really have to do some real mental gymnastics to defend all the moves he made last night. The most aggregious was pulling Bassitt when he was locked in to have Rodriguez throw a meatball down the middle for Shohei.

Everyone and their grandmother knew Shohei was having one of those games. All his hits were home runs and extra bases. They ended the night just walking him anyways. Why not Bassitt walk him then?
I was screaming in the 8th, gotta walk him.

Also wtf were the base running coaches doing all night. Were they sleeping? Total clown show last night. Glad I had fallen asleep for the walk off HR.


Bassitt pitched after Domiguez and he was pulled because hes our 8th inning set-up man now lmao we literally did this multiple times already. The mistake was having Dominguez not IBB Ohtani but it gets to a point where how many times can we do that and putting the tying run on base. Dominguez also threw the worst pitch of his life so that didnt help. I still wouldve IBB Ohtani anyways but yeah.

The base running stuff made sense Kirk was wincing and he cant score on a single from 2nd. Bo obviously was not playing the field for 18 innings lmao if he was healthy he wouldve never been subbed. Springer got hurt which is the most consequential move of the game cause we lost him for France/Davis. Straw for Barger in a tie game is the most iffy one but it was top of 8 1 on no out. We assumed if we didnt score there we were probably losing lol

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