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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#321 » by Lateral Quicks » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:45 pm

Brutal from Romano... not a single out recorded.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#322 » by Madvillainy2004 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:46 pm

Swanson somehow didn't pitch in a game we lost by 1 because John is a genius.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#323 » by xAIRNESSx » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:46 pm

Nice bounce back for Manoah at least.

Hopefully he’s figured things out.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#324 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:46 pm

aminiaturebuddha wrote:On the bright side, Manoah looked back to his dominating self. It's a long season. Hopefully that means more long term than 1 game against the Yankees.


looked good. pitching at Yankee Stadium is like pitching at home for him lol

too bad the new schedule doesn't allow more games against division rivals as years past
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#325 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:50 pm

Yeah Schneider cost them the game through his idiocy, but Manoah looking like himself was a pretty important development. Looks like he can adjust to a pitch clock.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#326 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:54 pm

I am confident if we gave Nick Nurse the job, he'd be a better baseball manager than Schneider.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#327 » by Michael Bradley » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:58 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:I am confident if we gave Nick Nurse the job, he'd be a better baseball manager than Schneider.


The same 9 position players in the starting lineup would all play 162 games, and the starting rotation would average 125 pitches a start, but you're probably right.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#328 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:00 pm

Offense was absolutely garbage today. You are not going to win at Yankee stadium with the amount of lost opportunities not cashed in by the hitters, even if Schneider messed up with the Bullpen. The bottom of the order was trash yet again. This team needs to have Kirk and Jansen both in the lineup on a regular basis (one of the being the DH, when the other is Catching).

Cavan Biggio should be sent to the Minors or told to sell Popcorn in the stands, while Merrifield should be the everyday Second Baseman going forward. Biggio is not a player who should be taking up a spot on the MLB roster. The man offers absolutely nothing, and is even terrible at Bunting- which was something he was supposed to good at. A serious team caring about winning, should have DFA Biggio a while back. He will be hitting less than .100 soon. On the positive side, Manoah looked very good and he needed that outing today after his brutal start to the season.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#329 » by Boogie! » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:19 pm

Lateral Quicks wrote:Brutal from Romano... not a single out recorded.


This is what I mean about romano. He's a fastball slider guy but he doesn't instill this shutdown confidence in his pitches. He always seems to give up hits here and there, untimely walks, etc etc.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#330 » by LLJ » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:19 pm

It's games like this that don't inspire much confidence in Schneider should we find ourselves in a similar type of game in a playoff setting. These kind of tight low scoring games WILL happen in the playoffs so you want your manager making good decisions when they do come about
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#331 » by SharoneWright » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:42 pm

Belt is costing us wins. He’ll be getting a reduced role soon.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#332 » by Raps in 4 » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:45 pm

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Lateral Quicks wrote:Brutal from Romano... not a single out recorded.


This is what I mean about romano. He's a fastball slider guy but he doesn't instill this shutdown confidence in his pitches. He always seems to give up hits here and there, untimely walks, etc etc.


He does, when he's on. But he's somewhat streaky and has days when he's off, like today, a little too often for my liking.

He's absolutely an elite high leverage reliever, but I wouldn't mind upgrading the closer position, if the opportunity presented itself.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#333 » by Hottie McShotty » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:50 pm

Why did our genious manager pull Manoah who was cruising along with 85 pitches in 7 innings to put in Garcia with a 7.20 ERA? I thought we got rid of Montoyo last year. :banghead:
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#334 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:30 pm

SharoneWright wrote:Belt is costing us wins. He’ll be getting a reduced role soon.

Not only Belt, but add Biggio and Varsho to the mix. I was watching the Diamondbacks game yesterday (Moreno went 3 for 4), and the announcers were mentioning how absolutely thrilled the Diamondbacks front office was with the trade they made with the Jays to get both Moreno and Gurriel. They said the organization was very fortunate that Toronto was willing to do a 2 for 1 deal for Varsho.

Moreno has been really hitting the ball well of late, and providing exceptional defense as a Catcher in his only first year getting regular playing time. Gurriel is also been a productive guy overall for Arizona. People were ecstatic for the first week that the deal was an excellent one for the Jays, but Varsho is a very streaky hitter. We all knew he was a good defensive player, but his offensive struggles are really hurting this team right now. Hopefully, he can turn it around going forward.
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Post#335 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:58 pm

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SharoneWright wrote:Belt is costing us wins. He’ll be getting a reduced role soon.

Not only Belt, but add Biggio and Varsho to the mix. I was watching the Diamondbacks game yesterday (Moreno went 3 for 4), and the announcers were mentioning how absolutely thrilled the Diamondbacks front office was with the trade they made with the Jays to get both Moreno and Gurriel. They said the organization was very fortunate that Toronto was willing to do a 2 for 1 deal for Varsho.

Moreno has been really hitting the ball well of late, and providing exceptional defense as a Catcher in his only first year getting regular playing time. Gurriel is also been a productive guy overall for Arizona. People were ecstatic for the first week that the deal was an excellent one for the Jays, but Varsho is a very streaky hitter. We all knew he was a good defensive player, but his offensive struggles are really hurting this team right now. Hopefully, he can turn it around going forward.

Gurriel has been worth -0.2 WAR for the DBacks. If that's the definition of productive, Varsho has been at all-star level so far.
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Post#336 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:59 pm

SharoneWright wrote:Belt is costing us wins. He’ll be getting a reduced role soon.

Maybe, but he pretty much won them the game yesterday (2 run HR, 2 RBI scoring 2B). I don't think we're close to him regularly seeing the bench any time soon.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#337 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:21 pm

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SharoneWright wrote:Belt is costing us wins. He’ll be getting a reduced role soon.

Not only Belt, but add Biggio and Varsho to the mix. I was watching the Diamondbacks game yesterday (Moreno went 3 for 4), and the announcers were mentioning how absolutely thrilled the Diamondbacks front office was with the trade they made with the Jays to get both Moreno and Gurriel. They said the organization was very fortunate that Toronto was willing to do a 2 for 1 deal for Varsho.

Moreno has been really hitting the ball well of late, and providing exceptional defense as a Catcher in his only first year getting regular playing time. Gurriel is also been a productive guy overall for Arizona. People were ecstatic for the first week that the deal was an excellent one for the Jays, but Varsho is a very streaky hitter. We all knew he was a good defensive player, but his offensive struggles are really hurting this team right now. Hopefully, he can turn it around going forward.

Gurriel has been worth -0.2 WAR for the DBacks. If that's the definition of productive, Varsho has been at all-star level so far.


Gurriel has been more productive at the plate overall than Varsho, who has been terrible the past couple of weeks hitting wise. We all know Varsho is better defensively. The deal was a 2 for 1, and I was just mentioning how the announcers stated that the Arizona front office felt very fortunate that they got both Moreno and Gurriel included for Varsho.

Do not talk about simply Gurriel vs. Varsho, but factor in how the Jays took the risk of dealing a 23 year old talent like Moreno who has been exceptional defensively in his first year. Moreno is also hitting very well after a tough first week of the season. While Kirk has had his troubles throwing runners out stealing, Moreno is excelling in that department. Obviously, it is a long season, but hoping Varsho turns it around at the plate.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#338 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Apr 22, 2023 10:57 pm

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Mehar wrote:Not only Belt, but add Biggio and Varsho to the mix. I was watching the Diamondbacks game yesterday (Moreno went 3 for 4), and the announcers were mentioning how absolutely thrilled the Diamondbacks front office was with the trade they made with the Jays to get both Moreno and Gurriel. They said the organization was very fortunate that Toronto was willing to do a 2 for 1 deal for Varsho.

Moreno has been really hitting the ball well of late, and providing exceptional defense as a Catcher in his only first year getting regular playing time. Gurriel is also been a productive guy overall for Arizona. People were ecstatic for the first week that the deal was an excellent one for the Jays, but Varsho is a very streaky hitter. We all knew he was a good defensive player, but his offensive struggles are really hurting this team right now. Hopefully, he can turn it around going forward.

Gurriel has been worth -0.2 WAR for the DBacks. If that's the definition of productive, Varsho has been at all-star level so far.


Gurriel has been more productive at the plate overall than Varsho, who has been terrible the past couple of weeks hitting wise. We all know Varsho is better defensively. The deal was a 2 for 1, and I was just mentioning how the announcers stated that the Arizona front office felt very fortunate that they got both Moreno and Gurriel included for Varsho.

Do not talk about simply Gurriel vs. Varsho, but factor in how the Jays took the risk of dealing a 23 year old talent like Moreno who has been exceptional defensively in his first year. Moreno is also hitting very well after a tough first week of the season. While Kirk has had his troubles throwing runners out stealing, Moreno is excelling in that department. Obviously, it is a long season, but hoping Varsho turns it around at the plate.

Except for the fact that Varsho has a 87 wRC+ to Gurriel's 80 wRC+, right?

Gurriel is giving them nothing offensively while also being the worst defensive outfielder in the sport.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#339 » by Mehar » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:16 pm

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Randle McMurphy wrote:Gurriel has been worth -0.2 WAR for the DBacks. If that's the definition of productive, Varsho has been at all-star level so far.


Gurriel has been more productive at the plate overall than Varsho, who has been terrible the past couple of weeks hitting wise. We all know Varsho is better defensively. The deal was a 2 for 1, and I was just mentioning how the announcers stated that the Arizona front office felt very fortunate that they got both Moreno and Gurriel included for Varsho.

Do not talk about simply Gurriel vs. Varsho, but factor in how the Jays took the risk of dealing a 23 year old talent like Moreno who has been exceptional defensively in his first year. Moreno is also hitting very well after a tough first week of the season. While Kirk has had his troubles throwing runners out stealing, Moreno is excelling in that department. Obviously, it is a long season, but hoping Varsho turns it around at the plate.

Except for the fact that Varsho has a 87 wRC+ to Gurriel's 80 wRC+, right?

Gurriel is giving them nothing offensively while also being the worst defensive outfielder in the sport.


So, why you leaving out Moreno out of the equation? Why is it simply Gurriel vs. Varsho. If you are looking at hitting statistics, I factor in OPS and batting average much more as well. Gurriel after a slow start is hitting .267 as of right now vs. Varsho who is at .222. Gurriel has the higher OPS also. Simply looking at WRC, and ignoring OPS and batting average does not do it for me.

Factor in Moreno's production, and Arizona is happy right now for a reason that the Jays agreed to the 2 for 1 swap. Varsho is the one giving nothing offensively right now. He is hitting very close to the Mendoza line the last 15 games, after a good first week. Cannot say the same about Gurriel and Moreno right now, who are hitting around .290 the last 15 games.
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Re: Toronto Blue Jays (11-8) @ New York Yankees (12-7) | April 21-23, 2023 

Post#340 » by Parataxis » Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:31 pm

Missed the game (was at Wonderland). Why did we pull Manoah at the start of the 8th? His pitch count was still low, and it seems like he was doing well?

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