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Re: Official Blue Jays 2025 Spring Training Thread 

Post#321 » by Cyrus » Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:46 am

polo007 wrote:Exclusive | Blue Jays' offer to Vladimir Guerrero Jr. revealed after superstar halted contract talks - New York Post

The Toronto Blue Jays offered superstar first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Jr. a deal for about $500 million before negotiations were halted last month — although significant deferrals put an estimate of the actual net present value of the offer between $400 million and $450 million, league sources familiar with the negotiation tell The Post.

These figures represent the range the Blue Jays were willing to discuss and, thus, details where matters stood before Guerrero’s camp halted negotiations, as promised, before the Jays’ first full-squad workout Feb. 18.

The Jays were offering to make Guerrero the game’s third-highest paid player
, behind Mets superstar Juan Soto’s record $765 million, non-deferred deal that could reach $805 million and Dodgers two-way international superstar Shohei Ohtani’s heavily deferred $700 million deal, which is valued in current dollars at between $440 million and $470 million.

Guerrero, who would hit free agency young (he turns 26 Sunday), reaffirmed to The Post last month that the Jays’ offer was not close to what he was seeking. He later told Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes that he offered to sign with Toronto for less than $600 million, which would still put the sides $100 million-plus apart in terms of actual value, assuming Guerrero’s request was somewhat close to that $600 million number. Guerrero would like to do a very long deal like Soto, but has acknowledged that Soto’s unmatched consistency fairly puts the new Met’s value higher.


So the team offered Vladdy a contract in 330 mill at the end of last year, then by the time sotto contract came up, were offering a deal closer to 425 - 460 net present value or 500 mill with deferred.

Man this front office misplayed the whole thing...
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Post#323 » by Randle McMurphy » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:44 am

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polo007 wrote:Exclusive | Blue Jays' offer to Vladimir Guerrero Jr. revealed after superstar halted contract talks - New York Post

The Toronto Blue Jays offered superstar first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Jr. a deal for about $500 million before negotiations were halted last month — although significant deferrals put an estimate of the actual net present value of the offer between $400 million and $450 million, league sources familiar with the negotiation tell The Post.

These figures represent the range the Blue Jays were willing to discuss and, thus, details where matters stood before Guerrero’s camp halted negotiations, as promised, before the Jays’ first full-squad workout Feb. 18.

The Jays were offering to make Guerrero the game’s third-highest paid player
, behind Mets superstar Juan Soto’s record $765 million, non-deferred deal that could reach $805 million and Dodgers two-way international superstar Shohei Ohtani’s heavily deferred $700 million deal, which is valued in current dollars at between $440 million and $470 million.

Guerrero, who would hit free agency young (he turns 26 Sunday), reaffirmed to The Post last month that the Jays’ offer was not close to what he was seeking. He later told Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes that he offered to sign with Toronto for less than $600 million, which would still put the sides $100 million-plus apart in terms of actual value, assuming Guerrero’s request was somewhat close to that $600 million number. Guerrero would like to do a very long deal like Soto, but has acknowledged that Soto’s unmatched consistency fairly puts the new Met’s value higher.


So the team offered Vladdy a contract in 330 mill at the end of last year, then by the time sotto contract came up, were offering a deal closer to 425 - 460 net present value or 500 mill with deferred.

Man this front office misplayed the whole thing...

They shouldn’t have even offered him that much given his track record.

And given that he and his camp are the ones giving interviews and leaking contract talks to reporters, it certainly looks like he’s the one far more desperate to get a deal done.

If he wants to bring his ask down from the initial 585M and take something actually close to what he’s worth, he’s more than welcome to.
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Post#324 » by bartron_44 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 11:50 am

I know its a business, but if he really wanted to be a blue jay for life, he would have signed their final offer. the Jays were offering enough money that his entire lineage would never want for anything again, but because some doehead in NY gave someone else a stupid amount of money, he (and his agent) got greedy fomo. What a joke.

How does someone with 2 good seasons out of his first 6 (or anyone for that matter who plays a game for a living) say with a straight face “I only asked for 500 million”? Especially a first baseman. The guy wants like 4 times the amount of gauranteed money that the last (actual former MVP) received who played that position. The man has never wanted for anything a day in his life. Asking for that much money is a bad look imo.

I think these players have forgotten just how lucky they are that they get paid to play a game at all. But if a first baseman can now ask for 500+ million after performing like an elite player only 33% of the time, what on earth is Bo Bichette and every other top tier SS, CF and C going to think he deserves? Because its a lot more than a slugging first baseman. Even one with a gold glove to his name. Bichette has only one bad season out of 6, and that was a season plagued by nagging injuries. Not to mention as a SS he could be 2 or 3 defensive moves away from needing to be a DH, and not just 1.

The Jays may be afraid to hear what he’s gonna want. The way he looks right now, they need to sign him or trade him before opening day. As it won’t just be Vladdy’s lack of extension causing a distraction as the season goes along.
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Post#325 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Mar 12, 2025 1:25 pm

Shi reports 14 years. Lol. Even the term is insane I dont care if hes 26. He's a first baseman whos going to DH within 4 years.

Wtf were they thinking.

They should have deals lined up when he didnt accept and dealt him to highest bidder.
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Post#326 » by Parataxis » Wed Mar 12, 2025 1:52 pm

Vlad thinking he's worth more than Ohtani is just absolutely wild. There's unrealistic dreaming, and then there's that. Truly next level.

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Post#327 » by dagger » Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:00 pm

Back to training camp. For opening day roster construction, some of the guys having average to slow starts are Wagner, Lukes, Loperfido, Jimenez... and... Springer. Springer is a notorious slow starter, but the Jays can't afford that because his ceiling at age 35 is lower than when he was in his prime or early decline. This is going to be an issue, but the media is, predictably, shy about addressing it because spring training is supposed to be all about flower- and puppy-dog stories, not controversy. He's hitting .135 so far this spring.
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Post#328 » by Duffman100 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:53 pm

dagger wrote:Back to training camp. For opening day roster construction, some of the guys having average to slow starts are Wagner, Lukes, Loperfido, Jimenez... and... Springer. Springer is a notorious slow starter, but the Jays can't afford that because his ceiling at age 35 is lower than when he was in his prime or early decline. This is going to be an issue, but the media is, predictably, shy about addressing it because spring training is supposed to be all about flower- and puppy-dog stories, not controversy. He's hitting .135 so far this spring.


Very likely Springer is also just ... done.
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Post#329 » by dagger » Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:32 pm

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dagger wrote:Back to training camp. For opening day roster construction, some of the guys having average to slow starts are Wagner, Lukes, Loperfido, Jimenez... and... Springer. Springer is a notorious slow starter, but the Jays can't afford that because his ceiling at age 35 is lower than when he was in his prime or early decline. This is going to be an issue, but the media is, predictably, shy about addressing it because spring training is supposed to be all about flower- and puppy-dog stories, not controversy. He's hitting .135 so far this spring.


Very likely Springer is also just ... done.


There is a good chance of that, and so the question is when will they eat the rest of his contract. Now, mid-season, next winter? They have eaten a year or two of bad money before just to remove an eyesore - Tulo, for example. They traded Kendrys Morales and cash for a bucket of spit with a year and a half left on his contract. How long can a team in search of playoffs put up with Springer's decline for the sake of appearances?
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Re: Official Blue Jays 2025 Spring Training Thread 

Post#330 » by JaysRule15 » Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:32 pm

Hoping the plug is pulled on Springer by June if he's struggling. And he better not be hitting anywhere near the top of the lineup at any point unless he somehow goes on a miraculous tear and surprises us all. I'm sure the front office is looking at the team to have a very strong start and remain in the playoff race going into the trade deadline, otherwise they will face crazy pressure to sell off the team before the deadline. And I think a sell-off spells the end for Atkins and this current management.

Depending on his splits, Springer might still be viable against lefties or in certain matchups. He wouldn't be a bad 4th OF. I just hope he's able to check his ego and the team is bold enough to make the move without it being too late.
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Post#331 » by WuTang_OG » Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:45 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
dagger wrote:Back to training camp. For opening day roster construction, some of the guys having average to slow starts are Wagner, Lukes, Loperfido, Jimenez... and... Springer. Springer is a notorious slow starter, but the Jays can't afford that because his ceiling at age 35 is lower than when he was in his prime or early decline. This is going to be an issue, but the media is, predictably, shy about addressing it because spring training is supposed to be all about flower- and puppy-dog stories, not controversy. He's hitting .135 so far this spring.


Very likely Springer is also just ... done.


Can someone explain why he's batting 5th in spring training? I mean I get you have to play him but put him at the bottom of the order. And then when he continues to stink it up u platoon him with the kids so you can bury him. He is not going to miraculously come back into form at his age. I hope our hitting comes back this season on the overall but Schneider needs to wake up and put all his chips in this season because hes going to get fired if he starts messing around early on
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Post#332 » by Ranger One » Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:29 pm

Springer will be batting cleanup to start the season. Write that in stone.
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Post#334 » by PushDaRock » Wed Mar 12, 2025 9:40 pm

bartron_44 wrote:I know its a business, but if he really wanted to be a blue jay for life, he would have signed their final offer. the Jays were offering enough money that his entire lineage would never want for anything again, but because some doehead in NY gave someone else a stupid amount of money, he (and his agent) got greedy fomo. What a joke.

How does someone with 2 good seasons out of his first 6 (or anyone for that matter who plays a game for a living) say with a straight face “I only asked for 500 million”? Especially a first baseman. The guy wants like 4 times the amount of gauranteed money that the last (actual former MVP) received who played that position. The man has never wanted for anything a day in his life. Asking for that much money is a bad look imo.

I think these players have forgotten just how lucky they are that they get paid to play a game at all. But if a first baseman can now ask for 500+ million after performing like an elite player only 33% of the time, what on earth is Bo Bichette and every other top tier SS, CF and C going to think he deserves? Because its a lot more than a slugging first baseman. Even one with a gold glove to his name. Bichette has only one bad season out of 6, and that was a season plagued by nagging injuries. Not to mention as a SS he could be 2 or 3 defensive moves away from needing to be a DH, and not just 1.

The Jays may be afraid to hear what he’s gonna want. The way he looks right now, they need to sign him or trade him before opening day. As it won’t just be Vladdy’s lack of extension causing a distraction as the season goes along.


This is what happens when you try to negotiate after the market has been reset. The fact that the Jays themselves were part of the process in resetting the market makes letting it get to this point even more inexcusable. They knew how much it was going to cost for Soto and it doesn't take a genius to figure Vladdy would be basing his own deal off that dollar amount.

500m with deferrals offered last season, do you think Vladdy is turning that down?
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Post#336 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:32 pm

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Post#337 » by Parataxis » Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:34 pm

Is anybody actually watching the game? (I'm just checking Game Day) How did Vlad manage to get himself doubled-up on a fly ball?

Was it just bad baserunning, or was trying to advance to second reasonable in the play?
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Post#338 » by bartron_44 » Thu Mar 13, 2025 7:44 pm

Parataxis wrote:Is anybody actually watching the game? (I'm just checking Game Day) How did Vlad manage to get himself doubled-up on a fly ball?

Was it just bad baserunning, or was trying to advance to second reasonable in the play?


It was the latter. He tried to move up to second when the throw came in to 3rd and they threw him out ( although if challenged in the regular season i think he was probably safe)

Bethancourt saved the win with a strike em out throw him out DP in the 9th with the Orioles threatening to rally. His second runner gunned down in like 3 innings. He showed why the backup catcher should be him. A veteran MLB catcher with lots of playoff experience, and a (accurate) cannon for an arm.

Straw benefitted from a bad hop double today that was pretty funny to hear the announcers talk about, and Orelvis Martinez hammered the ball all 3 times at the plate.

Varsho hit his 4th pull side bomb of the spring, and Vladdy hit a ball 118 mph today.
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Post#339 » by dagger » Thu Mar 13, 2025 11:26 pm

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Parataxis wrote:Is anybody actually watching the game? (I'm just checking Game Day) How did Vlad manage to get himself doubled-up on a fly ball?

Was it just bad baserunning, or was trying to advance to second reasonable in the play?


It was the latter. He tried to move up to second when the throw came in to 3rd and they threw him out ( although if challenged in the regular season i think he was probably safe)

Bethancourt saved the win with a strike em out throw him out DP in the 9th with the Orioles threatening to rally. His second runner gunned down in like 3 innings. He showed why the backup catcher should be him. A veteran MLB catcher with lots of playoff experience, and a (accurate) cannon for an arm.

Straw benefitted from a bad hop double today that was pretty funny to hear the announcers talk about, and Orelvis Martinez hammered the ball all 3 times at the plate.

Varsho hit his 4th pull side bomb of the spring, and Vladdy hit a ball 118 mph today.


And Springer was 0-3. Not yet a lot of plate appearances, but concerning nevertheless.
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Post#340 » by Parataxis » Fri Mar 14, 2025 1:19 pm

Manoah looks like he's ahead of schedule. Throwing off a mound already.
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