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polo007 · Post #481 » by **polo007** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:14 pm

BigLeagueChew · Post #482 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:16 pm

So we have our backup shortstop now, 4th outfielder capable of cf in jonathan davis, tesocar starting in CF. What would a realistic CF upgrade target be. Laureano maybe?

polo007 · Post #483 » by **polo007** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:04 pm

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bluerap23 · Post #484 » by **bluerap23** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:05 pm

BigLeagueChew wrote:So we have our backup shortstop now, 4th outfielder capable of cf in jonathan davis, tesocar starting in CF. What would a realistic CF upgrade target be. Laureano maybe?

I’m pretty sure Davis will be in AAA as he still has options. Don’t think we have any plans to upgrade the outfield this year. I think they want to take a full season to evaluate Fisher. I expect him, Teo and Grichuk to carry the load in CF and RF. Alford will likely be the 5th OF.

If they are right about Fisher, I could see Grichuk becoming the CF, Fisher in RF and Teo as DH.

Fairview4Life · Post #485 » by **Fairview4Life** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:09 pm

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BigLeagueChew · Post #486 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:33 pm

bluerap23 wrote:
BigLeagueChew wrote:So we have our backup shortstop now, 4th outfielder capable of cf in jonathan davis, tesocar starting in CF. What would a realistic CF upgrade target be. Laureano maybe?

I’m pretty sure Davis will be in AAA as he still has options. Don’t think we have any plans to upgrade the outfield this year. I think they want to take a full season to evaluate Fisher. I expect him, Teo and Grichuk to carry the load in CF and RF. Alford will likely be the 5th OF.

If they are right about Fisher, I could see Grichuk becoming the CF, Fisher in RF and Teo as DH.

Am mostly going by the general rule that your 4th OF should be able to handle CF, similar to needing a backup infielder that needs to be able to cover shortstop. As well as Atkins and Nicholson-Smith comments a few days ago.

Laureano projects for a 109 wrc+ steamer and among top CF's, maybe Oakland can't afford him and others soon.

bluerap23 · Post #487 » by **bluerap23** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:16 pm

BigLeagueChew wrote:
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BigLeagueChew wrote:So we have our backup shortstop now, 4th outfielder capable of cf in jonathan davis, tesocar starting in CF. What would a realistic CF upgrade target be. Laureano maybe?

I’m pretty sure Davis will be in AAA as he still has options. Don’t think we have any plans to upgrade the outfield this year. I think they want to take a full season to evaluate Fisher. I expect him, Teo and Grichuk to carry the load in CF and RF. Alford will likely be the 5th OF.

If they are right about Fisher, I could see Grichuk becoming the CF, Fisher in RF and Teo as DH.

Am mostly going by the general rule that your 4th OF should be able to handle CF, similar to needing a backup infielder that needs to be able to cover shortstop. As well as Atkins and Nicholson-Smith comments a few days ago.

Laureano projects for a 109 wrc+ steamer and among top CF's, maybe Oakland can't afford him and others soon.

With rosters expanding to 26 I’m pretty sure Alford makes the team as 5th OF. Out of options... Even if they believe Davis is slightly better than Alford it makes more sense to keep him in AAA because he has options.

phillipmike · Post #488 » by **phillipmike** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:23 pm

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polo007 · Post #489 » by **polo007** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:01 pm

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BigLeagueChew · Post #490 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:27 pm

Atkins said last week the team is "extremely open to something of significant impact," according to Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet. He said such an addition would likely have to come in a trade, but added pulling off a deal of that nature "is very difficult to do.

"(There are) certain guys on the (trading) block that I'd be more than willing to move for," Bichette told assembled media on Saturday during the team's new jersey unveiling.

Lindor is entering his second-last season of arbitration eligibility and will be able to hit free agency following the 2021 season. The 26-year-old avoided arbitration earlier this winter, signing a one-year deal worth $17.5 million with the Indians.

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1930890

bturn2210 · Post #491 » by **bturn2210** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:04 am

Lindor would be pretty sexy! Not happening though

BigLeagueChew · Post #492 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:53 am

bturn2210 wrote:Lindor would be pretty sexy! Not happening though

Bichette projects top 10 in SS steamer projections, but where does everyone move if we acquired one of the top 10?

Lindor - 6fwar
Correa - 5.4fwar
Bogaerts - 4.7fwar
Machado - 4.6fwar
Marte - 4.3 fwar
Semien - 4.2
Turner - 4.1 fwar
Story - 3.9 fwar
Tatis Jr - 3.8 fwar
Bichette - 3.6fwar

Some other 'glove heavy' shortstops out there like Simmonds. Not easy finding who he'd move for.

polo007 · Post #493 » by **polo007** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:15 am

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The_Hater · Post #494 » by **The_Hater** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:57 pm

BigLeagueChew wrote:
bturn2210 wrote:Lindor would be pretty sexy! Not happening though

Bichette projects top 10 in SS steamer projections, but where does everyone move if we acquired one of the top 10?

Lindor - 6fwar
Correa - 5.4fwar
Bogaerts - 4.7fwar
Machado - 4.6fwar
Marte - 4.3 fwar
Semien - 4.2
Turner - 4.1 fwar
Story - 3.9 fwar
Tatis Jr - 3.8 fwar
Bichette - 3.6fwar

Some other 'glove heavy' shortstops out there like Simmonds. Not easy finding who he'd move for.

Has MLB SS position ever been stronger then it is right now? There was a really good moment with prime ARod, Jeter, Nomar, Tejada and a few others but I think the current depth tops it quite easily.

BigLeagueChew · Post #495 » by **BigLeagueChew** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:12 pm

The_Hater wrote:
Has MLB SS position ever been stronger then it is right now? There was a really good moment with prime ARod, Jeter, Nomar, Tejada and a few others but I think the current depth tops it quite easily.

Yeah definitely expected to be one of the better ones. Went back and looked at 2002 results , Arod had 10fwar , then Jeter next closest at 5.2 lol. Vizquel and Furcal rounded out the top 10 with 3.3 and 2.7 fwar.

polo007 · Post #496 » by **polo007** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:03 pm

ESPN.com: Rob Manfred's mistake was giving sign stealers too much leeway

• Chaim Bloom, the head of baseball operations for the Red Sox, seems patient in his talks with other teams about Mookie Betts, with the asking price perceived as too high by rival evaluators. Boston has indicated to other teams, according to sources, that any team that lands Betts will also have to take David Price (or Nathan Eovaldi presumably), with either most or all of the money owed to Price, $96 million. That means assuming well over $100 million for the pitcher and Betts, who will make $27 million in the upcoming season, his last before reaching free agency -- and that's for starters.

The Red Sox are also asking for two high-end prospects to front the deal. In some respects, what Boston is asking for is something akin to what Seattle got for Edwin Diaz -- to get the closer, the Mets also assumed the bulk of the money owed to Robinson Cano, and gave up star prospects Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn. The Mets' end of that trade was widely and immediately panned within the industry, so it may be that the Red Sox never find the kind of offer they seek. But Bloom has months to let this play out: Rival execs believe that Betts's trade value really won't drop between now and the July 31 trade deadline.

Post #497 » by **Schad** » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:21 am

The_Hater wrote:Has MLB SS position ever been stronger then it is right now? There was a really good moment with prime ARod, Jeter, Nomar, Tejada and a few others but I think the current depth tops it quite easily.

Agreed, and it owes to teams realizing over time that an okay defensive shortstop who absolutely rakes is far better than a high-end defensive SS who can't hit a lick. Not that all of those guys are mediocre defensively, but historically many of those would have been shifted to 3B long before they became competent-to-good because they physically don't fit the profile...ie., they're large lads and don't have otherworldly range.

The_Hater · Post #498 » by **The_Hater** » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:25 am

Schad wrote:
The_Hater wrote:Has MLB SS position ever been stronger then it is right now? There was a really good moment with prime ARod, Jeter, Nomar, Tejada and a few others but I think the current depth tops it quite easily.

Agreed, and it owes to teams realizing over time that an okay defensive shortstop who absolutely rakes is far better than a high-end defensive SS who can't hit a lick. Not that all of those guys are mediocre defensively, but historically many of those would have been shifted to 3B long before they became competent-to-good because they physically don't fit the profile...ie., they're large lads and don't have otherworldly range.

I feel like Ripken started the trend. What is this big, slow white guy playing SS for? It seemed impossible.

Post #499 » by **Schad** » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:35 am

The_Hater wrote:
Schad wrote:
The_Hater wrote:Has MLB SS position ever been stronger then it is right now? There was a really good moment with prime ARod, Jeter, Nomar, Tejada and a few others but I think the current depth tops it quite easily.

Agreed, and it owes to teams realizing over time that an okay defensive shortstop who absolutely rakes is far better than a high-end defensive SS who can't hit a lick. Not that all of those guys are mediocre defensively, but historically many of those would have been shifted to 3B long before they became competent-to-good because they physically don't fit the profile...ie., they're large lads and don't have otherworldly range.

I feel like Ripken started the trend. What is this big, slow white guy playing SS for? It seemed impossible.

Ripken definitely started it, though teams were weirdly resistant for some time thereafter. The realization that you don't have to leave players in static positions seems to have finally sorted that, roughly 300 years after cricket realized that the catch-y guys can be deployed in different spots if you feel frisky.

polo007 · Post #500 » by **polo007** » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:50 am

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