2025 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread

vaff87 · Post #521 » by **vaff87** » Sun Jun 5, 2022 1:53 am

Baseball America moved Orelvis from like 67 down to 90 in their latest update. Seems pretty harsh.

Post #522 » by **Schad** » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:04 am

vaff87 wrote:Baseball America moved Orelvis from like 67 down to 90 in their latest update. Seems pretty harsh.

Makes sense to me. BA used to have a habit of getting badly over their skis with players like Orelvis, who had loud tools but major flaws. Probably better to be a bit cautious; even with his power, I'd bet against him being a major league regular unless he can make dramatic increases to his contact rate. He's very high ceiling/low floor as it stands.

vaff87 · Post #523 » by **vaff87** » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:47 am

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vaff87 wrote:Baseball America moved Orelvis from like 67 down to 90 in their latest update. Seems pretty harsh.

Makes sense to me. BA used to have a habit of getting badly over their skis with players like Orelvis, who had loud tools but major flaws. Probably better to be a bit cautious; even with his power, I'd bet against him being a major league regular unless he can make dramatic increases to his contact rate. He's very high ceiling/low floor as it stands.

I look at some of the other guys.

Nick Gonzales is three years older than Orelvis, at the same level, striking out more than 3% more, and with an iso power close to .200 points less.

Anthony Volpe is pretty much a consensus top 10 prospect. He’s at the same level, about 6 months older, he has a .166 iso and 23.1% strikeout rate, while Orelvis has a 29.4% strikeout rate, and .316 iso.

Kahlil Watson is a year and a half younger, two levels lower, striking out 42.7% of the time with a .158 iso.

I look at Orelvis being 4 years younger than the league average in the eastern league. In his first stint there, and being second in HR right now.

His is a bit of an unusual development path, as usually, contact skills come before power. But he’s hitting for a lot of power.

polo007 · Post #524 » by **polo007** » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:18 pm

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polo007 · Post #525 » by **polo007** » Wed Jun 8, 2022 8:49 pm

How close is Blue Jays’ Gabriel Moreno to the majors? - The Athletic

Whenever a prospect is on the precipice of the majors, the Blue Jays must consider a number of factors when deciding the right time to call him up. Joe Sclafani (Blue Jays director of player development) said the Blue Jays want to make sure that any player has his routines in a good place and is aware of what it takes to be a professional in every sense, from their preparation right through to their post-game recovery. Given the demands of the catcher position, having those routines in order would be especially paramount for someone like Moreno.

Sclafani said the club has been encouraged with the progress Moreno has made behind the plate, including improving how he receives the low pitch, calling pitches and making in-game adjustments based on reading hitters’ swings.

“That was a heavy focus for us and he’s all in on that, and we’re starting to see the returns as he develops those relationships with the guys he didn’t really know that well,” Sclafani said. “Older pitchers know what they want to do and it’s taking that and what you’ve seen and lining that up to really make an impact to help those guys be at their best.”

Offensively, the numbers stand out because Moreno has also been making better swing decisions at the plate lately. Moreno has got a special ability to barrel up the baseball, but as he faces more advanced pitching, he’s been encouraged to work on refining his approach and focus on swinging at pitches he can drive rather than swinging at pitches outside of the zone, which he can probably still hit, but do less damage on.

“The swing decisions part has been probably our main focus on the hitting side, and he’s gotten drastically better,” Sclafani said. “It’s no surprise that the offensive production was what it was in May considering the swing decision points that we tracked and ball-in-play points that we track. He had a fantastic May all the way around.”

For Moreno, his continued development relies on him playing every day, especially after he was limited to 37 games last year because of injury. With Jansen on the IL, that temporarily opens up an opportunity for playing time at the catcher spot in Toronto, but if Jansen isn’t expected to be out long — which seems to be the early hope — the Blue Jays may not want to risk calling Moreno up for a short stint, only for at-bats to dry up when Jansen makes his return.

Such are the pros and cons that have to be weighed before a major-league call-up. Even as speculation builds around when Moreno will get the call remains, we know when he does arrive, he’s primed to make an impact.

“He’s just a fantastic kid, number one, (his) character is off the charts, teammates gravitate towards him, he’s a good worker, guys like playing with him,” Sclafani said. “He raises (the) level of play of people around him.”

polo007 · Post #526 » by **polo007** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 3:32 am

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bluerap23 · Post #527 » by **bluerap23** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 7:06 pm

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Would look good in BP right now. Though I wonder if they are still considering stretching him out given issues with Ryu

polo007 · Post #528 » by **polo007** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 9:46 pm

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Blue Jays Prospect] Nate "✈️" Pearson delivers 2 scoreless inning with 3 strikeouts in relief!

Jun 8, 2022

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Still ramping up from his mono stint and in his 3rd rehab appearance (2nd AAA), he delivered a much better result (though nobody should be looking at result at this point). a mid 90s T97mph FB, a mid 80s SL and a CV. There's good command on the FB and the SL looks untouchable as always. The most surprising part is the use of CV primarily against LHHs. Pearson has started showing his CV more since last year and it's my belief that Pearson is forgoing his CH (which imo has never been a pitch that he can throw) and opted for his CV against LHHs. The current CV from my view is....an avg pitch. Too loopy and slow to get anybody chase (even though he did get a LHH swinging whiff at it). Against major leaguers the CV is more of a "see-me" pitch that steals the occasional strike rather than an out-pitch.

polo007 · Post #529 » by **polo007** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 9:46 pm

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guvernator · Post #530 » by **guvernator** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 11:30 pm

Adrian Pinto is starting to look like an actual prospect now. Numbers are steadily improving but I'm assuming they will keep him in florida for the year with this being his first year in US.

johanliebert · Post #531 » by **johanliebert** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 11:30 pm

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Would look good in BP right now. Though I wonder if they are still considering stretching him out given issues with Ryu

Hope they stretch him out if ryu is out long term.

Post #532 » by **Schad** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 12:02 am

guvernator wrote:Adrian Pinto is starting to look like an actual prospect now. Numbers are steadily improving but I'm assuming they will keep him in florida for the year with this being his first year in US.

I'd expect so, especially as a decent chunk of his sky-high OBP comes from getting plunked a bunch.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #533 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 7:12 pm

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guvernator wrote:Adrian Pinto is starting to look like an actual prospect now. Numbers are steadily improving but I'm assuming they will keep him in florida for the year with this being his first year in US.

I'd expect so, especially as a decent chunk of his sky-high OBP comes from getting plunked a bunch.

So what you're saying is he's somewhere between the good Biggio and Big Cat Gallaraga. I'll take it.

polo007 · Post #534 » by **polo007** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 11:16 pm

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vaff87 · Post #535 » by **vaff87** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:07 am

How long until the Jays promote Tiedemann to double-A? Clearly, A+ is no challenge for him, either.

dagger · Post #536 » by **dagger** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 6:16 pm

I’d like to see him, pitch count allowing, to go six innings and see batters a third time around.

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polo007 · Post #537 » by **polo007** » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:29 pm

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Post #539 » by **Schad** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 12:27 am

Ricky Tiedemann started for Vancouver, and do I even really need to note that he gave up no runs? 4 IP, 3 singles, 2 walks, 7 Ks. His ERA in High A is now 0.38, and on the year he has a 1.17 ERA over 53.2 IP, with 3 BB/9 versus 14.1 K/9.

JTT · Post #540 » by **JTT** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:24 am

Schad wrote:Ricky Tiedemann started for Vancouver, and do I even really need to note that he gave up no runs? 4 IP, 3 singles, 2 walks, 7 Ks. His ERA in High A is now 0.38, and on the year he has a 1.17 ERA over 53.2 IP, with 3 BB/9 versus 14.1 K/9.

Went to the doubleheader today. Love Canadians nooners. I was surprised by Tiedemanns velocity. He sat at 95 pretty easily and reached 98 once and 99 once that I noticed. It wasn’t all smooth though. Lots of deep counts and a fair number of defensive gems behind him. Both teams, in fact played really good baseball for both games. His off speed stuff sat around 80, so plenty of separation

Naswal Paulinho started game two and got hit around pretty good.