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Post#541 » by Quattro » Sat Nov 9, 2024 9:47 pm

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Sounds like they'll show up to the party and eat some appetizers and maybe have a drink, but will dip out before the main course.


Basically, what they always do and then they'll sign some cheap bats that won't amount to anything and tell us how much more they know about baseball than the average fan next October when the team wins 70 games .
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Post#543 » by Parataxis » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:29 pm

I know they've changed the posting system a couple of times over the past decade or so, but what's it looking like now?

Does he have a say in which team gets to claim the posting, or is it entirely between the Marines and the MLB teams?

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Re: Around MLB: 2024 Edition 

Post#544 » by Cyrus » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:19 pm

Parataxis wrote:I know they've changed the posting system a couple of times over the past decade or so, but what's it looking like now?

Does he have a say in which team gets to claim the posting, or is it entirely between the Marines and the MLB teams?

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Since he's under 25, he has to sign to which ever team has international spending pool. He has some say cause he can sign with anyone, and seeing alot of teams have similar international money, he can pick which one. Obviously Marines will want him to go the team that offers him the most, as they will get a slightly larger payout.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2025-international-signing-bonus-pools-for-each-mlb-team/

we are in the 6.2 mill pool with Cubs, Mets, Yankees, Angels, Padres.

Dodgers are 5.1 mill pool.

Seattle and all the small market teams have the most at 7.55 mill, so they would be the ones who cost offer the most, which surely Marines will want to dicate.

Now all teams can acquire additional Int spending money. Like what the Angles did when they signed Othani, so I imagine whomever does win out, they'll go out and acquire more $$$, by sending out prospects and such to do so.
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Re: Around MLB: 2024 Edition 

Post#545 » by Parataxis » Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:54 pm

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Parataxis wrote:I know they've changed the posting system a couple of times over the past decade or so, but what's it looking like now?

Does he have a say in which team gets to claim the posting, or is it entirely between the Marines and the MLB teams?

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Since he's under 25, he has to sign to which ever team has international spending pool. He has some say cause he can sign with anyone, and seeing alot of teams have similar international money, he can pick which one. Obviously Marines will want him to go the team that offers him the most, as they will get a slightly larger payout.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2025-international-signing-bonus-pools-for-each-mlb-team/

we are in the 6.2 mill pool with Cubs, Mets, Yankees, Angels, Padres.

Dodgers are 5.1 mill pool.

Seattle and all the small market teams have the most at 7.55 mill, so they would be the ones who cost offer the most, which surely Marines will want to dicate.

Now all teams can acquire additional Int spending money. Like what the Angles did when they signed Othani, so I imagine whomever does win out, they'll go out and acquire more $$$, by sending out prospects and such to do so.


But that spending pool is just for signing bonus money, right? It doesn't take contract value into account?
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Re: Around MLB: 2024 Edition 

Post#546 » by polo007 » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:13 pm

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Parataxis wrote:I know they've changed the posting system a couple of times over the past decade or so, but what's it looking like now?

Does he have a say in which team gets to claim the posting, or is it entirely between the Marines and the MLB teams?



Since he's under 25, he has to sign to which ever team has international spending pool. He has some say cause he can sign with anyone, and seeing alot of teams have similar international money, he can pick which one. Obviously Marines will want him to go the team that offers him the most, as they will get a slightly larger payout.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2025-international-signing-bonus-pools-for-each-mlb-team/

we are in the 6.2 mill pool with Cubs, Mets, Yankees, Angels, Padres.

Dodgers are 5.1 mill pool.

Seattle and all the small market teams have the most at 7.55 mill, so they would be the ones who cost offer the most, which surely Marines will want to dicate.

Now all teams can acquire additional Int spending money. Like what the Angles did when they signed Othani, so I imagine whomever does win out, they'll go out and acquire more $$$, by sending out prospects and such to do so.


But that spending pool is just for signing bonus money, right? It doesn't take contract value into account?

There's No Way To Get Around Bonus Limits To Sign Roki Sasaki - Baseball America

The best analogy for what will happen during righthander Roki Sasaki’s offseason is to compare it to an old-school college recruiting visit before the days of NIL. Teams will be strictly limited in how much they can spend to sign Sasaki, and any team signing him will do so knowing that the contract is a mere fraction of what he’s worth on the open market.

So they can present all kind of facts about their pitching programs, their coaching staff, their city and why Sasaki would want to make their clubhouse his new home.

But when it comes to actual financial incentives, the restrictions are incredibly strict.

So whatever idea you have to circumvent the bonus limits, you can forget about them. The Collective Bargaining Agreement has already thought of whatever idea you have. And if you managed to come up with something they haven’t already thought about, they have written the CBA in a way to prevent that too.

1. What Happens If A Team Tries To Spend More Than Their Bonus Pool Allotment?

They can’t. MLB won’t allow the contract to be approved. Teams can trade for additional allotment up to 50% beyond their bonus pool limit, but that’s it. A dollar beyond their available bonus allotment and the contract isn’t approved.


It’s covered in Section B, paragraph 5 of the international amateur talent system in the CBA:

No Club may exceed its Signing Bonus Pool in any signing period. Any contract that would result in a Club exceeding its Signing Bonus Pool (including any additional Signing Bonus Pool space acquired via assignment from another Club) will not be approved by the Commissioner’s Office.

2. Can A Team Offer Sasaki An MLB Contract?

No.

If you are not a “foreign professional” you cannot sign a major league contract.
A similar restriction now exists for draftees. It used to be that teams could sign draftees or international amateurs to major league contracts, which offered all kinds of benefits and higher salaries than players on MiLB contracts. But nowadays, that’s off limits.

This one is covered by Section D of the International Amateur System of the CBA.

All players subject to the Signing Bonus Pool system must sign a Minor League Uniform Player Contract.

5. Can A Team Start Working On An Extension To Replace His MiLB Deal?

Whatever team signs Sasaki may want to offer him an extension at some point, no such talks can be had in any way before he signs.
Teams are prevented from:

Promising, representing, or committing to sign a player to another Minor League contract or a Major League contract in the future, or to provide additional compensation or benefits under the extant contract (such as a higher salary in future years of the Minor League contract).
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Re: Around MLB: 2024 Edition 

Post#547 » by Cyrus » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:12 am

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Parataxis wrote:I know they've changed the posting system a couple of times over the past decade or so, but what's it looking like now?

Does he have a say in which team gets to claim the posting, or is it entirely between the Marines and the MLB teams?



Since he's under 25, he has to sign to which ever team has international spending pool. He has some say cause he can sign with anyone, and seeing alot of teams have similar international money, he can pick which one. Obviously Marines will want him to go the team that offers him the most, as they will get a slightly larger payout.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2025-international-signing-bonus-pools-for-each-mlb-team/

we are in the 6.2 mill pool with Cubs, Mets, Yankees, Angels, Padres.

Dodgers are 5.1 mill pool.

Seattle and all the small market teams have the most at 7.55 mill, so they would be the ones who cost offer the most, which surely Marines will want to dicate.

Now all teams can acquire additional Int spending money. Like what the Angles did when they signed Othani, so I imagine whomever does win out, they'll go out and acquire more $$$, by sending out prospects and such to do so.


But that spending pool is just for signing bonus money, right? It doesn't take contract value into account?


It's essentially yes his bonus, his "Contract" is the equivalent to 1 year players, basically peanuts. Marines won't care about that, they'll want the most "Total Value - aka bonus" out there.

The Small market teams have 7.5 mill + can acquire up to 75% bonus pool, they can get somewhere to 13Mill if they do so. So basically he's gonna be capped out to under 10-15 mill deal.

This why if they say he is as good as he is, it's basically #1 pick in the lottery, that will come in for the first 4-5 years super cheap. Before he gets expensive when he hits 28-29, basically his comparable is Yamato who signed with the dodgers last year for 300 mill, except he's gonna get 15 mill plus mins contracts....even The A's/Rays and co would be interested in that.
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Post#552 » by Parataxis » Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:58 pm

Good for him - get that bag!

Still amazed that <so>Rangers</so> Astros didn't QO him, especially given this contract now.

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Post#553 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:17 pm

Parataxis wrote:Good for him - get that bag!

Still amazed that Rangers didn't QO him, especially given this contract now.

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Astros?
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Re: Around MLB: 2024 Edition 

Post#554 » by Parataxis » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:23 pm

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Astros?


Yes. This is what I get for posting before Coffee. Look, Texas is pretty small, and all the teams are basically the same, right?
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Post#555 » by Fairview4Life » Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:26 pm

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Parataxis wrote:Good for him - get that bag!

Still amazed that Rangers didn't QO him, especially given this contract now.



Astros?


Yes. This is what I get for posting before Coffee. Look, Texas is pretty small, and all the teams are basically the same, right?


They are all collectively trash, so yes.
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Post#556 » by Cyrus » Wed Nov 27, 2024 4:45 am

Snell to the Dodgers, rich are just getting richer.

Soto likely to one of NY Teams, and then after a few weeks, we will look at whatever equivalent DRS OF or 3B.
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Post#559 » by Raptors Realtor » Wed Nov 27, 2024 5:52 pm

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The ability to defer significant sums of salary doesn't make sense. MLB needs to put a stop to this asap. For example, what's stopping the Dodgers from just continuing to defer salary at the time they actually begin paying Ohtani's contract in the 2030's... Layaway plans for a pro sports team is crazy, especially one as rich as the Dodgers, not to mention when you take into account that those deferred payments will have far less impact on their team's payroll in the future, then it will in the present... This loophole just makes no sense.

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Post#560 » by Cyrus » Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:01 pm

^^^ This, plus don't understand why athlete or agent would want defer money. 1 million now is worth more than 1 million 10 years from now,unlesss this is a way to skim tax laws. Either way though up front money is always going to trump what that money is gonna be 15-20 years down the road.

But MLB needs to put a stop to this.

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