Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

Post #61 » by **Schad** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:05 pm

vaff87 wrote:
Schad wrote:
agkagk wrote:toronto sports hasn’t seen a management team this enept since john Ferguson.

If they knew they were going to scorch the earth for as many c- prospects as possible, why squander Sanchez and destroy his value by starting him all this time.

They have done well overall, but there have been a couple of serious "WTF?" moments, and this is one of them.

Is there any way this is some sort of quid pro quo with the Astros?

Very unlikely. Think it's more likely that we'd determined that i) Sanchez isn't a good starter and never will be, and ii) Sanchez doesn't want to be a reliever, so iii) keeping an unhappy rental Sanchez in the hopes of making him a decent reliever wasn't worth the trouble.

Post #62 » by **JaysRule15** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:09 pm

This trade makes no sense. Fisher doesn't seem like a long-term piece. We'd have been better off just staying pat if that was the only return available. Sanchez may not be an impact pitcher, but at least he was popular with the fans and a part of the old playoff teams. Might as well hold onto him. Why take the PR hit.

Sanyo · Post #63 » by **Sanyo** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:09 pm

This is gonna be a more painful rebuild then I thought

Sanyo · Post #64 » by **Sanyo** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:10 pm

So we have billy, a crappy 4th outfielder

The hell do we need this fisher guy? Makes no damn sense!!!!

phillipmike · Post #65 » by **phillipmike** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:11 pm

I willing to give Fisher some time... FO needs Fisher to come out of the gate... needs to show some potential and results this season for people to forget about what they gave up or potentially gave up especially on a trade that didnt need to be made.

They much really loved Fisher because none of the pieces they moved NEED to be moved.

Steven1562 · Post #66 » by **Steven1562** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:11 pm

Sanyo wrote:So we have billy, a crappy 4th outfielder

The hell do we need this fisher guy? Makes no damn sense!!!!

Shapiro and Atkins have a 4th outfielder fetish :lol:

Boardbreaker · Post #67 » by **Boardbreaker** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:12 pm

Fisher sounds like someone they could have gotten for Biagini alone?

vaff87 · Post #68 » by **vaff87** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:13 pm

Schad wrote:
vaff87 wrote:
Schad wrote:
They have done well overall, but there have been a couple of serious "WTF?" moments, and this is one of them.

Is there any way this is some sort of quid pro quo with the Astros?

Very unlikely. Think it's more likely that we'd determined that i) Sanchez isn't a good starter and never will be, and ii) Sanchez doesn't want to be a reliever, so iii) keeping an unhappy rental Sanchez in the hopes of making him a decent reliever wasn't worth the trouble.

I don’t understand why Stevenson had to be thrown in.

Are we missing something with Fisher or something? Do the Jays think he can be a CF with power?

Wo1verine · Post #69 » by **Wo1verine** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:13 pm

So who goes down for Fischer? Surely they aren't going to stash him down in Buffalo?

agkagk · Post #70 » by **agkagk** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:13 pm

vaff87 wrote:
Schad wrote:
agkagk wrote:toronto sports hasn’t seen a management team this enept since john Ferguson.

If they knew they were going to scorch the earth for as many c- prospects as possible, why squander Sanchez and destroy his value by starting him all this time.

They have done well overall, but there have been a couple of serious "WTF?" moments, and this is one of them.

Is there any way this is some sort of quid pro quo with the Astros?

I suspect shad’s assessment was pretty spot on.

In order to ditch sanchez’s Modest arbitration figure next year we had to attach assets to him.

Essentially, houston bent over of socially awkward bean counters.

Garrett · Post #71 » by **Garrett** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:16 pm

It is becoming crystal clear that Atkins is poor at negotiating trades. This guy is a grade A boner.

Post #72 » by **Schad** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:16 pm

agkagk wrote:I suspect shad’s assessment was pretty spot on.

In order to ditch sanchez’s Modest arbitration figure next year we had to attach assets to him.

Essentially, houston bent over of socially awkward bean counters.

That's not what I'm saying. We could have ditched Sanchez's arb figure for nothing...you can just non-tender arb-eligible players.

phillipmike · Post #73 » by **phillipmike** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:17 pm

Read on Twitter

Garrett · Post #74 » by **Garrett** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:17 pm

Should have kept Sanchez another season to try and re-establish his value. Atkins sold low.

YelloC · Post #75 » by **YelloC** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:18 pm

Nobody hangs up when Shatkins calls.

Sanyo · Post #76 » by **Sanyo** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:19 pm

agkagk wrote:
vaff87 wrote:
Schad wrote:
They have done well overall, but there have been a couple of serious "WTF?" moments, and this is one of them.

Is there any way this is some sort of quid pro quo with the Astros?

I suspect shad’s assessment was pretty spot on.

In order to ditch sanchez’s Modest arbitration figure next year we had to attach assets to him.

Essentially, houston bent over of socially awkward bean counters.

We are giving money to other teams to get rid of
Guys!

Now we are giving prospects for a modest arb increase for Sanchez?

I hate this fn team! Worst run organization in baseball!

phillipmike · Post #77 » by **phillipmike** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:19 pm

Read on Twitter

RapsFanInVA · Post #78 » by **RapsFanInVA** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:19 pm

Hey Derek Fisher is a UVA guy! I actually watched him play when I was at UVA so I'll be rooting for him but man what a terrible trade lol

Sanyo · Post #79 » by **Sanyo** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:19 pm

phillipmike wrote:

Read on Twitter

HE will do as asked.

Houston also got Greinke so no room for him

Post #80 » by **Schad** » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 pm

Garrett wrote:Should have kept Sanchez another season to try and re-establish his value. Atkins sold low.

He doesn't have any value. He isn't going to have any significant value in the future. We can almost definitely get him for next to nothing in the offseason, because Houston is highly unlikely to pay his arb figure.

Really, the Sanchez part of this bothers me the least.