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Post#61 » by polo007 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:48 pm

Blue Jays prioritize bolstering rotation heading into GM Meetings - Sportsnet.ca

TORONTO – There are two primary themes emerging for the Toronto Blue Jays in these early days of the off-season that bear close watching in the days and weeks ahead.

First, they’re looking at this week’s acquisition of righty Chase Anderson from the Milwaukee Brewers as a floor for the starting rotation, rather than a ceiling, an injection of stable innings providing a base while more impactful arms – at least one and up to three – are pursued.

Second, anything GM Ross Atkins and company have planned on the position player side is tied, to a degree, to what they do on the pitching end of things, and to how much more runway they want to provide to the players they already have in-house.

For example, if they traded someone like Lourdes Gurriel Jr. for a starting pitcher, they’d then need to suddenly jump into the free-agent market for another outfielder. Their catchers have also been drawing interest from other clubs. On the flip side, if they do their pitching work in free agency, then any bat signed takes away reps from a group of players that includes Teoscar Hernandez, Derek Fisher and Rowdy Tellez.

In an ideal world, the Blue Jays are adding a couple of starters from the middle and or upper tiers of the free agent market – think guys subject to qualifying offer compensation like Zack Wheeler and Jake Odorizzi along with Dallas Keuchel, Kyle Gibson, Michael Pineda, Wade Miley (whom they’ve pursued in the past), Tanner Roark, Jordan Lyles, Alex Wood, Julio Teheran and Rick Porcello – and perhaps bringing back Matt Shoemaker, too.

The trade market offers a secondary path forward, and in both cases the Blue Jays appear intent on moving past the bounce-back, value-reclamation types they locked in on the previous two winters.

That they’re not ruling out Wheeler and Odorizzi – whom manager Charlie Montoyo knows from the Tampa Bay Rays – is interesting, as surrendering draft pick compensation had been a non-starter for them in years past.

Should the Blue Jays sign a qualified free agent, they would lose their second-highest selection in the upcoming draft as well as $500,000 from their international bonus pool. On the draft end, that means forfeiting a pick in the mid-40s overall along with the roughly $1.6 million in bonus pool room (based on 2019 slots) that comes with it – a steep but not prohibitive cost.

Either way, the Blue Jays have the spending power this winter to add multiple players who can make an impact.
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Post#63 » by rarefind » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:02 pm

Why is Shatkins so obsessed with trading Gurriel?
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Post#64 » by Schad » Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:31 am

I'd imagine that Gurriel would only be moved in a deal that brought back a cost-controlled starting pitcher, and it makes sense in that vein: good SPs with years of team control are hard to come by, and generally require you to fork over pretty serious value. Gurriel is a potentially expendable source of value.

Gurriel has pull in the market because of his bat, but as a corner OF with some offensive warts, he's also a player whose value could decline. He had a spectacular run in May/June, but didn't hit terribly well from that point forward; that could be a typical slump, or it could be indicative of teams finding a way to exploit his free-swinging tendencies.
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Post#65 » by agkagk » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:55 pm

Schad wrote:I'd imagine that Gurriel would only be moved in a deal that brought back a cost-controlled starting pitcher, and it makes sense in that vein: good SPs with years of team control are hard to come by, and generally require you to fork over pretty serious value. Gurriel is a potentially expendable source of value.

Gurriel has pull in the market because of his bat, but as a corner OF with some offensive warts, he's also a player whose value could decline. He had a spectacular run in May/June, but didn't hit terribly well from that point forward; that could be a typical slump, or it could be indicative of teams finding a way to exploit his free-swinging tendencies.


I really enjoy watching gurriel play.

That said, three words always pop into my head when I watch him play: odubel Herrera junior.... as in the sum of the parts don’t add up as they should. He could be a good sell high candidate.
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Post#66 » by phillipmike » Wed Nov 13, 2019 8:04 pm

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-locked-pitching-bats-also-offer-path-improvement/

Shi Davidi of Sportsnet reports that the Blue Jays have "at minimum, discussed Mike Moustakas internally."


Shi Davidi of Sportsnet reports that the Blue Jays met with Jake Odorizzi's representatives Tuesday and they have "legitimate interest" in him.


Blue Jays general manager Ross Atkins confirmed Tuesday that his club has interest in Japanese hitters Yoshitomo Tsutsugo and Shogo Akiyama.


According to Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet, the Blue Jays are at a stall in contract negotiations with Matt Shoemaker.
Per the report, the Blue Jays want to lower Shoemaker's salary to around $3 million after he pulled in $3.5 million in 2019 and made only five starts before suffering a torn left ACL. Shoemaker, on the other hand, either wants a new one-year, $3.5 million deal or something longer with maybe a slightly smaller AAV. If the two sides can't find a compromise, the 33-year-old right-hander could be non-tendered.
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Post#69 » by BigLeagueChew » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:03 am

10 free-agent arms the Blue Jays could target this winter

Wheeler
Keuchel
Teheran
Porcello
Pineda
Lindblom
Wood


https://www.tsn.ca/10-free-agent-arms-the-toronto-blue-jays-could-target-this-winter-1.1396670?fbclid=IwAR3wlV6YYMMCEZoXCIQQWqQlzhvAPV_YTaPi_hhwEzP-MyuI_9PcpvqrfxA

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Post#70 » by BigLeagueChew » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:06 am

Wouldn't really be comfortable at a multi year deal for Shoemaker.
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Post#72 » by bturn2210 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:09 am

Bluejays have met with Yasmani Grandal..interesting. I wonder if they wanna trade Jansen and or Mcguire.
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Post#73 » by raptorsfan2018 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:05 am

BigLeagueChew wrote:Wouldn't really be comfortable at a multi year deal for Shoemaker.


A one + one would be good.
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Post#74 » by Tanner » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:25 am

The Shoemaker situation is weird. They want him to take a 1+1 deal where he would have to take a pay cut and have a team option on the first year of his free agency. There is basically no incentive for him to do that when he can simply go to arbitration and get more. The downside for him would be getting non tendered, and then not having any offers totaling $3m, but still seems like an unusual ask by the Jays when all he wants is $500k more than they are offering and the same salary he made last year when he had one of the highest War's on the team despite only making 5 starts all year.
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Post#75 » by SharoneWright » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:54 am

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Post#76 » by Schad » Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:06 am

Tanner wrote:The Shoemaker situation is weird. They want him to take a 1+1 deal where he would have to take a pay cut and have a team option on the first year of his free agency. There is basically no incentive for him to do that when he can simply go to arbitration and get more. The downside for him would be getting non tendered, and then not having any offers totaling $3m, but still seems like an unusual ask by the Jays when all he wants is $500k more than they are offering and the same salary he made last year when he had one of the highest War's on the team despite only making 5 starts all year.


Depends on how it's structured. A 1+1 with incentives and some buyout money for 2021 might make a fair bit of sense for Shoemaker, simply because his age/injury history means that he isn't going to parlay a good season into much more than a better one-year deal. A fully unguaranteed 2021 probably means that he has more incentive to be non-tendered and take the risk though.

The point of comparison is really his 2019 deal. He took $3.5m + $1m in fairly hard-to-reach incentives based on IP, where the risk/reward was heavily skewed against him...he'd get cut if he failed, and as a final-year arb guy he probably wasn't going to get a massive raise in his final season. It wasn't substantially different from a 1+1 in all but name, and after another year where he suffered a major (albeit not arm) injury I wouldn't imagine that he will get much more. $3m + $1m in bonuses + a $5m option with a $250k buyout or something isn't a bad option for a guy who last pitched more than a third of a season in 2015.
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Re: 2019-20 Offseason Thread 

Post#77 » by wamco » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:22 pm

I guess they have some time to figure it out while they talk to free agents. I thought it was a slam dunk
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Post#79 » by phillipmike » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:03 pm

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