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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#61 » by Harry Palmer » Thu May 8, 2025 10:20 pm

Asianiac_24 wrote:At this point I’m hoping we lose every game so the ownership can give up this pipe dream already and start selling. Taking Giminez for 100 million is so beyond stupid, we literally took 2 terrible contracts from Cleveland for free.

Trade everyone for prospects and hope we can field a good team in 2027 or 2028. The sooner we sell the better.


We don’t have the makings of being a good team in 2-3 years in our system imo, and I’m not sure what kinds of returns we would get in trades, in that most of our movable assets are bad contracts. Not saying we have no quality to trade, but very few who aren’t ~ overpaid and you also want to move negative assets, and once we move better players to even out salary dumps I’m not sure we’re in the market for cornerstone prospects that we’d need to be a good team in a few years.

I think it’s still the thing to do, but I think we need to realize there will be stages, and replenishing our farm system alone will probably take us to ‘27/‘28. Then it’s more years as those guys come up and grow. The worse news is that ownership is very unlikely to sign off on massive dumps as they are very focused on realizing there will be return on the stadium upgrades and are still reportedly in love with this FO. The better news is that we will at some point hit a critical stage where there’s no room for pretence and the fans are staying away in droves, and that might just trigger a clean house.

Otoh it might just mean more of these temporizing adjustments they have been specializing in for years with the occasional run at a big name that goes nowhere.

For myself, I’m perfectly fine with keeping all the bad contracts and trading the good ones for prospects. We’re going nowhere fast so I’d rather not lose out on prospects to get bad money off the roster, let them be overpaid placeholders while we replenish the system and they’ll be gone by the time those prospects are getting ready to move up.
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#62 » by Randle McMurphy » Thu May 8, 2025 10:37 pm

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Asianiac_24 wrote:At this point I’m hoping we lose every game so the ownership can give up this pipe dream already and start selling. Taking Giminez for 100 million is so beyond stupid, we literally took 2 terrible contracts from Cleveland for free.

Trade everyone for prospects and hope we can field a good team in 2027 or 2028. The sooner we sell the better.


We don’t have the makings of being a good team in 2-3 years in our system imo, and I’m not sure what kinds of returns we would get in trades, in that most of our movable assets are bad contracts. Not saying we have no quality to trade, but very few who aren’t ~ overpaid and you also want to move negative assets, and once we move better players to even out salary dumps I’m not sure we’re in the market for cornerstone prospects that we’d need to be a good team in a few years.

I think it’s still the thing to do, but I think we need to realize there will be stages, and replenishing our farm system alone will probably take us to ‘27/‘28. Then it’s more years as those guys come up and grow. The worse news is that ownership is very unlikely to sign off on massive dumps as they are very focused on realizing there will be return on the stadium upgrades and are still reportedly in love with this FO. The better news is that we will at some point hit a critical stage where there’s no room for pretence and the fans are staying away in droves, and that might just trigger a clean house.

Otoh it might just mean more of these temporizing adjustments they have been specializing in for years with the occasional run at a big name that goes nowhere.

For myself, I’m perfectly fine with keeping all the bad contracts and trading the good ones for prospects. We’re going nowhere fast so I’d rather not lose out on prospects to get bad money off the roster, let them be overpaid placeholders while we replenish the system and they’ll be gone by the time those prospects are getting ready to move up.

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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#64 » by Harry Palmer » Thu May 8, 2025 10:41 pm

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Asianiac_24 wrote:At this point I’m hoping we lose every game so the ownership can give up this pipe dream already and start selling. Taking Giminez for 100 million is so beyond stupid, we literally took 2 terrible contracts from Cleveland for free.

Trade everyone for prospects and hope we can field a good team in 2027 or 2028. The sooner we sell the better.


We don’t have the makings of being a good team in 2-3 years in our system imo, and I’m not sure what kinds of returns we would get in trades, in that most of our movable assets are bad contracts. Not saying we have no quality to trade, but very few who aren’t ~ overpaid and you also want to move negative assets, and once we move better players to even out salary dumps I’m not sure we’re in the market for cornerstone prospects that we’d need to be a good team in a few years.

I think it’s still the thing to do, but I think we need to realize there will be stages, and replenishing our farm system alone will probably take us to ‘27/‘28. Then it’s more years as those guys come up and grow. The worse news is that ownership is very unlikely to sign off on massive dumps as they are very focused on realizing there will be return on the stadium upgrades and are still reportedly in love with this FO. The better news is that we will at some point hit a critical stage where there’s no room for pretence and the fans are staying away in droves, and that might just trigger a clean house.

Otoh it might just mean more of these temporizing adjustments they have been specializing in for years with the occasional run at a big name that goes nowhere.

For myself, I’m perfectly fine with keeping all the bad contracts and trading the good ones for prospects. We’re going nowhere fast so I’d rather not lose out on prospects to get bad money off the roster, let them be overpaid placeholders while we replenish the system and they’ll be gone by the time those prospects are getting ready to move up.

Vlad won't be.


No, I agree, he’s the exception. But if they are willing to have one of the top payrolls in the MLB now, by the time we are competitive again his price won’t be as relatively high, and he can be a part of it or parted with at that time.
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#65 » by HangTime » Fri May 9, 2025 1:48 am

Hilarious top of the 1st inning
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Post#66 » by HangTime » Fri May 9, 2025 1:58 am

An Even more hilarious bottom of the 1st.
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#67 » by Parataxis » Fri May 9, 2025 2:05 am

Nope. I can't do it. Can't watch the Jays struggle their way to a third loss in a row this series.

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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#68 » by spykelee » Fri May 9, 2025 2:05 am

Can these bums be any worse?
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#69 » by spykelee » Fri May 9, 2025 2:12 am

At least we'll be out of it soon. Then! watch out MLB
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#70 » by spykelee » Fri May 9, 2025 2:15 am

Lmao you could see that error coming haha
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#71 » by spykelee » Fri May 9, 2025 2:16 am

Hey only Bo's 5th error this season! All star caliber
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#72 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri May 9, 2025 2:20 am

fire everyone clean house
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#73 » by Asianiac_24 » Fri May 9, 2025 2:21 am

4 runs is already too much for this offense, this game is over
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#74 » by spykelee » Fri May 9, 2025 2:23 am

Asianiac_24 wrote:4 runs is already too much for this offense, this game is over


It was over at 2-0. 4 is just salt in the wound
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#75 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri May 9, 2025 3:23 am

Perfectly positioned again for another blown save
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Post#76 » by spykelee » Fri May 9, 2025 3:24 am

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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#77 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri May 9, 2025 3:26 am

Another great AB by MVP Varsho. He’s 3rd on the team in wRC+(146), extend him.
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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#78 » by PushDaRock » Fri May 9, 2025 3:45 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:Another great AB by MVP Varsho. He’s 3rd on the team in wRC+(146), extend him.


definitely, seems sustainable with that K rate.
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Post#79 » by Randle McMurphy » Fri May 9, 2025 4:01 am

PushDaRock wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:Another great AB by MVP Varsho. He’s 3rd on the team in wRC+(146), extend him.


definitely, seems sustainable with that K rate.

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Re: Blue Jays (16-18) at Angels (13-20) May 6-8 

Post#80 » by spykelee » Fri May 9, 2025 4:06 am

Cue Randle lmao

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