Blue Jays vs. White Sox, July 7-9

[Randle McMurphy]

And now Hoffman is probably going to have to come in during a truly ridiculous stretch for him. Hilarious.

[Boogie!]

Lmao

[Randle McMurphy]

What an incredibly stupid hour that was. Thanks for that one John

[GoRapstheoriginal]

TORONTO BLUE JAYS WIN! TORONTO BLUE JAYS WIN! WOOHOO HOORAY! 9 GAMES IN A ROW! OH YA! ! ! !

[Mehar]

I understand coming back with Pina in the 8th,

But once 1 guy got on base, they should have started warming up Sandlin.... shouldn't have waited for 2 guys to get on. I guess in the end Sandlin, came in after only 1 other guy get on base. Did he warm up enough though -- that was quick.

Schneider just cannot help himself with his blunders.

[C Court]

Never in doubt!

[Mehar]

This organization needs to do what it can to get help for this bullpen. You have excess outfielders and some guys in the minors (Orelvis Martinez) which are of interest to rebuilding teams. Get some help sooner than later, especially now with Garcia gone again for a couple of weeks.

[TOStateofMind]

Luckily that didnt turn into something worse. Lets make it 10 tomorrow boys.

[JaysRule15]

I was having nightmares of Hoffman coming into that game and giving up a homer to tie it. I know Hoffman been good lately but bringing him in with so many guys on base would've been risky. Glad Green got out of it.

[Michael Bradley]

Schneider just played us into using a high leverage RP to hold this lead for absolutely no reason, yeah.

Pina has no business being in the majors and you need to protect against exactly what just happened by using Berrios in the 7th.

To be fair, Green is awful, and Sandlin is replaceable (he's likely already replaced in the pecking order by Burr).

Warming up Hoffman was egregious, though.

[JCP11]

What an incredibly stupid hour that was. Thanks for that one John

Schneider has made some weird decisons throughout the season but i understand why he waited, at 8-1 he wanted to give the bullpen a rest and use only Pina and it makes sense after how the bullpen was extensively used last week. Let's just say we might see Pina DFA'd tomorrrow.

[Randle McMurphy]

Schneider just played us into using a high leverage RP to hold this lead for absolutely no reason, yeah.

Pina has no business being in the majors and you need to protect against exactly what just happened by using Berrios in the 7th.

To be fair, Green is awful, and Sandlin is replaceable (he's likely already replaced in the pecking order by Burr).

Warming up Hoffman was egregious, though.

Whether Green or Sandlin are bad is irrelevant (although I don’t think Sandlin is). We’re on a stretch of 16 games in 16 days with a completely dead bullpen and a rotation of mediocrity who are lucky to pitch into the 5th.

Today was a perfect opportunity to give the entire group a break and he didn’t take it for no reason I can see. If you use Berrios in the 7th, Hoffman never gets up and at most you’re only using one major leaguer. It really shouldn’t have been difficult.

Only time will tell whether that burns us this week but it might.

[Randle McMurphy]

What an incredibly stupid hour that was. Thanks for that one John

Schneider has made some weird decisons throughout the season but i understand why he waited, at 8-1 he wanted to give the bullpen a rest and use only Pina and it makes sense after how the bullpen was extensively used last week. Let's just say we might see Pina DFA'd tomorrrow.

So use Berrios in the 7th and put Pina into the 8th and cut down any real chance of using a high leverage guy.

[Boogie!]

This organization needs to do what it can to get help for this bullpen. You have excess outfielders and some guys in the minors (Orelvis Martinez) which are of interest to rebuilding teams. Get some help sooner than later, especially now with Garcia gone again for a couple of weeks.

I was just looking at orelvis numbers this year he sux

[Randle McMurphy]

This organization needs to do what it can to get help for this bullpen. You have excess outfielders and some guys in the minors (Orelvis Martinez) which are of interest to rebuilding teams. Get some help sooner than later, especially now with Garcia gone again for a couple of weeks.

I was just looking at orelvis numbers this year he sux

Still youngish but yeah he’s not looking like much of a prospect anymore. Doubt he steps foot in the majors this year.

[Michael Bradley]

Schneider just played us into using a high leverage RP to hold this lead for absolutely no reason, yeah.

Pina has no business being in the majors and you need to protect against exactly what just happened by using Berrios in the 7th.

To be fair, Green is awful, and Sandlin is replaceable (he's likely already replaced in the pecking order by Burr).

Warming up Hoffman was egregious, though.

Whether Green or Sandlin are bad is irrelevant (although I don’t think Sandlin is). We’re on a stretch of 16 games in 16 days with a completely dead bullpen and a rotation of mediocrity who are lucky to pitch into the 5th.

Today was a perfect opportunity to give the entire group a break and he didn’t take it for no reason I can see. If you use Berrios in the 7th, Hoffman never gets up and at most you’re only using one major leaguer. It really shouldn’t have been difficult.

Only time will tell whether that burns us this week but it might.

No argument from me that Berrios should have pitched the 7th inning. I actually thought it would be Berrios going 7 and Pina pitching the last 2. Expecting Pina to eat up 3 innings without cutting into the lead was closer to delusional than optimistic.

With that said, none of the high leverage arms were used, aside from Hoffman warming up for a few minutes which again was ridiculous but on brand for Schneider. I don't think not having Green or Sandlin available tomorrow is going to do anything, and Pina will be optioned for someone else. Mismanaged by Schneider? Yes, but as long as the leverage guys were given a rest, then that's still a win (Little in particular who seems to pitch every game).

[Michael Bradley]

This organization needs to do what it can to get help for this bullpen. You have excess outfielders and some guys in the minors (Orelvis Martinez) which are of interest to rebuilding teams. Get some help sooner than later, especially now with Garcia gone again for a couple of weeks.

I was just looking at orelvis numbers this year he sux

He's likely traded at the deadline as a throw-in. Can't play defense and is out of options after this season. Going to be tough to get any value for him but some team might look at him as a reclamation project/buy low.

[-MetA4-]

I do want to say one thing on pulling Berrios early: his velocity was WAY down tonight. Only 90.2 mph average on his sinker, and 91.6 mph average on his 4-seam. That is 2.1 mph and 1.5 mph below his season averages on those two pitches.

Could he have pitched the 7th? Yes most likely, but keep in mind that reduced velocity is often an indicator of an impending arm injury. This used to be one of those things in years past where a starter's velocity would dip, and they would be left in like normal. Then a start or two later it doesn't get better, and he ends up leaving the mound holding his arm on route to the IL.

It is very likely that they noticed the dip in velocity and pulled him early as a precaution, which is the right decision given the lead, the opponent, and the point of the season we are in.

[Michael Bradley]

I do want to say one thing on pulling Berrios early: his velocity was WAY down tonight. Only 90.2 mph average on his sinker, and 91.6 mph average on his 4-seam. That is 2.1 mph and 1.5 mph below his season averages on those two pitches.

Could he have pitched the 7th? Yes most likely, but keep in mind that reduced velocity is often an indicator of an impending arm injury. This used to be one of those things in years past where a starter's velocity would dip, and they would be left in like normal. Then a start or two later it doesn't get better, and he ends up leaving the mound holding his arm on route to the IL.

It is very likely that they noticed the dip in velocity and pulled him early as a precaution, which is the right decision given the lead, the opponent, and the point of the season we are in.

I wasn't aware of the velocity drop, that makes the early pull a bit more understandable. Hopefully it was just precaution and not anything else. The Jays cannot afford to lose any starters. Keeping them healthy is very important.

[JaysRule15]

This organization needs to do what it can to get help for this bullpen. You have excess outfielders and some guys in the minors (Orelvis Martinez) which are of interest to rebuilding teams. Get some help sooner than later, especially now with Garcia gone again for a couple of weeks.

I was just looking at orelvis numbers this year he sux

He's likely traded at the deadline as a throw-in. Can't play defense and is out of options after this season. Going to be tough to get any value for him but some team might look at him as a reclamation project/buy low.

Yup. There's no room for him on this team. But a rebuilding team can take a flyer on him and he could be a cheap source of power. Will probably be included in any trade we make this deadline.