General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Off-Season

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I see the off season board having 7 essential steps ( in no specific order, they just all NEED to get done):


1-Springer will be handcuffed to a few specs and some $$ to trade him.

2-Vladdy and Bo will both be locked up

3-FA SP to round out rotation and keep Rodriguez as the long man/6th SP

4- FA backend RP

5-FA backend RP

6- FA catcher

7-sign a lead off type outfielder with an OBP around .400, can steal bases and hits a lot of doubles.


I will grade the ofc season by how many of those holes he fills in this roster

[bluerap23]

Jays

I see the off season board having 7 essential steps ( in no specific order, they just all NEED to get done):


1-Springer will be handcuffed to a few specs and some $$ to trade him.

2-Vladdy and Bo will both be locked up

3-FA SP to round out rotation and keep Rodriguez as the long man/6th SP

4- FA backend RP

5-FA backend RP

6- FA catcher

7-sign a lead off type outfielder with an OBP around .400, can steal bases and hits a lot of doubles.


I will grade the ofc season by how many of those holes he fills in this roster

1. Springer still has 2 years and 50 million. Unlikely trade candidate this year. He is still serviceable defensively and actually performing better than I hoped at the back end of this deal than what I was thinking when they signed him. I think it is more realistic to hope the lineup depth is addressed and Springer can bat near the bottom, and hopefully have a slight bounce back.

2. Hopefully management is replaced because Shatkins are too stupid to take care of this.

3. SP is actually pretty good compared to the rest of our issues. I'd put this as a lower priority.

4,5. RP definitely needs addressing.

6. A little less of a priority for me.

7. I know you said in no particular order, but this should be at the top of the list, along with a bat for the middle of the order. For me the off-season starts and ends with Offence.

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One thing I dislike about this management is that it hangs on to things that aren't working too long. Davis Schneider, for example, is likely toast. I'd send him to Buffalo right now, give him an invite to training camp, but that's it. I'd call up Orelvis Martinez whose suspension is over. (He has a pair of hits so far today.) Between Horwitz, Barger, Martinez and Wagner, there is no place for Davis at 2B, and LF is his only other plausible option and Laporfido is a better choice there among the guys on the MLB roster now, and it's also a position to hunt for an impact bat in free agency.

[bartron_44]

Jays

I see the off season board having 7 essential steps ( in no specific order, they just all NEED to get done):


1-Springer will be handcuffed to a few specs and some $$ to trade him.

2-Vladdy and Bo will both be locked up

3-FA SP to round out rotation and keep Rodriguez as the long man/6th SP

4- FA backend RP

5-FA backend RP

6- FA catcher

7-sign a lead off type outfielder with an OBP around .400, can steal bases and hits a lot of doubles.


I will grade the ofc season by how many of those holes he fills in this roster

1. Springer still has 2 years and 50 million. Unlikely trade candidate this year. He is still serviceable defensively and actually performing better than I hoped at the back end of this deal than what I was thinking when they signed him. I think it is more realistic to hope the lineup depth is addressed and Springer can bat near the bottom, and hopefully have a slight bounce back.

2. Hopefully management is replaced because Shatkins are too stupid to take care of this.

3. SP is actually pretty good compared to the rest of our issues. I'd put this as a lower priority.

4,5. RP definitely needs addressing.

6. A little less of a priority for me.

7. I know you said in no particular order, but this should be at the top of the list, along with a bat for the middle of the order. For me the off-season starts and ends with Offence.

SP is good, but not complete. With Manoah and Tiedemann both going down, Bloss an unknown and Yarbrough a FA at years end, they really lack major league ready depth. They have been blessed with health the last couple years, and they dont need a #1 type like they need closers in the bullpen, but in an ideal world they find a 5th SP. That moves Rodriguez to the long man/6th SP role, and leaves Bloss in the minors as the #7 SP on the depth chart.

This team has actually been a lot better at the plate since the makeover at the deadline:

1st half:
.236 .311 .376

2nd half:

.256 .320 .441


The problem with the offense is still the outfield though. Here is the combined slash for all outfielders so far:

.209 .283 .365

I think that speaks for itself. If Varsho is going to play CF, they need 2 corner outfielders who can rake. So Springer just isnt going to cut it anymore. If Vernon Wells was tradable back in the day, so is Springer.

I think one way to improve it is replacing Springer with Barger. He took a bit to make the adjustment, but over his last 31 games he has an OPS around .800 and 21 RBIs.

We could see Schreck get a shot in ST too. He was only drafted last year, but he plays all 3 OF positions and could be ready for a look. he destroyed the ACC in 21/22. then he destroyed the SEC in 2023, and now he has posted an OPS over .850 between A+ and AA during his first full pro season ( ..including a .905 OPS for NH since the trade.) He’s already 24, and could really fill a big hole if he can grab that leas off spot and keep it. I don't see why they wouldn’t give him a chance to compete. With pay days coming due for Vladdy and Bo, they probably need as many rookie contracts as they can find.

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I'd expect Alan Roden will get a good shot at RF whether Springer is back or traded, because I like him as a Springer replacement. Roden's basic numbers are good, but what impresses me is that he hits better with runners on base – any combination of one, two or three runners - and his numbers against LHP and RHP are fairly even, so he is more than a platoon candidate. He;s the next Horwitz to me with an advanced plate approach and a plan for every at bat, and my hunch is that if Springer doesn't somehow have a small revival next spring, the Jays will eat his deal by the middle of next season to get rid of him.

Roden can be shifted to left if the big FA pickup of the offseason is better suited to RF.

https://www.milb.com/app-firstpitch/player/alan-roden-702176

[Fairview4Life]

Will there actually be a big FA acquisition while Springer is still on the books?

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MLB trade deadline revisited: Dodgers pulled off heist to get new bullpen ace - USA Today

The Toronto Blue Jays could possibly shift GM Ross Atkins to a different role after failing to make the playoffs, but there’s no indication he will be dismissed.

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MLB trade deadline revisited: Dodgers pulled off heist to get new bullpen ace - USA Today

The Toronto Blue Jays could possibly shift GM Ross Atkins to a different role after failing to make the playoffs, but there’s no indication he will be dismissed.

I’d be completely fine if Click is made GM and Ross is sweeping the floors. I’d prefer Shapiro to be gone but don’t see it.

[Hottie McShotty]

Bichette wants to remain with the Jays. Get er done baby!

Lock up your two All-Stars long-term.

[Fairview4Life]

Bichette wants to remain with the Jays. Get er done baby!

Lock up your two All-Stars long-term.

He has been really bad at the plate this season. If we don't think that's just a one off year, then sure, but I'd be very wary on giving him a whole lot of money to play mediocre defense at SS and hit terribly.

[bluerap23]

with the exception of this year, he has been very consistent at the plate. this year he has been hampered by injury. expect him to bounce back.

[Fairview4Life]

with the exception of this year, he has been very consistent at the plate. this year he has been hampered by injury. expect him to bounce back.

From your lips to god's ears. We really could have used hit king bo this year.

[raptorforlife88]

I think not continuing to see if Horwitz can work at second is a poor choice. His defensive numbers haven't been that bad, and I feel like his bat will just play so much better at 2B. Leaves the DH slot open to rotate people through.

With his bat I think he could be a 3 WAR 2B. He has a much less precarious hitting profile than Davis Schneider did, so I'm not quite as worried about a sudden offensive collapse, like I thought could and has happened to DS.

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Will there actually be a big FA acquisition while Springer is still on the books?

I'd say yes. But they have a lot of needs. Right now, I'd expect the FA focus to be on one impact bat and relievers.

[bartron_44]

This team would actually be pretty darn good of they had any kind of bullpen help. Considering that is the deepest part of pretty much any FA class, they should be able to get a few guys that can pitch in high leverage situations without imploding ffs.

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Bo was playing through a bad calf pretty much all season before he went down for good. Any leg injury is crippling to a hitter. But especially to a guy with an aggressive move like Bo. Wouldnt jave helped him in the field either….

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