Joe Biagini, Aaron Sanchez traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

[Garrett]

Two years ago we could have gotten a Trevor Bauer return for Sanchez.

[SharoneWright]

Yeah, don't we already have so many 4th OF types? So strange.

The thing is BNS, Davidi ,Mitchell plus the Toronto sun guy are breaking trade news for like the 1st time ever this season probably in favor of not saying anything negative about the management team.

And Schad continues to defend these deals too!! Kinda??

[Schad]

We are giving money to other teams to get rid of
Guys!

Now we are giving prospects for a modest arb increase for Sanchez?

I hate this fn team! Worst run organization in baseball!

We aren't giving money to get rid of guys at all. You're misinterpreting what I posted. In actual fact, we've been doing the opposite: we've eaten a tonne of money in other trades in order to get better assets back.

[Scott Hall]

I can't believe Shatkins is getting slammed for this trade on Tim and Sid and by some on Social media. Only in
Toronto would delusional fans cry about a 27 year old pitcher who's gotten worse every year and is 3-14 with
a 6.07 ERA, 1.69 WHIP and -0.5 WAR getting moved.

The front office has peddled some junk for some mystery boxes sounds good to me

[Garrett]

Should have kept Sanchez another season to try and re-establish his value. Atkins sold low.

He doesn't have any value. He isn't going to have any significant value in the future. We can almost definitely get him for next to nothing in the offseason, because Houston is highly unlikely to pay his arb figure.

Really, the Sanchez part of this bothers me the least.

You're speculating at best. You don't know this.

[Schad]

You're speculating at best. You don't know this.

Let's see, a middle reliever who doesn't want to be a reliever who can't miss bats, on an expiring contract. Yeah, that's not going to fetch much.

[Sanyo]

I can't believe Shatkins is getting slammed for this trade on Tim and Sid and by some on Social media. Only in
Toronto would delusional fans cry about a 27 year old pitcher who's gotten worse every year and is 3-14 with
a 6.07 ERA, 1.69 WHIP and -0.5 WAR getting moved.

The front office has peddled some junk for some mystery boxes sounds good to me

We aren’t competing next year so who cares? It’s to save the jays money that’s all. If they actually maybe try to compete a small bit next year then I’m fine with it, otherwise really what’s the point of this trade except as a salary dump. This fisher guy is just gonna be another McKinney for us.

[Cyrus]

Should have kept Sanchez another season to try and re-establish his value. Atkins sold low.

He doesn't have any value. He isn't going to have any significant value in the future. We can almost definitely get him for next to nothing in the offseason, because Houston is highly unlikely to pay his arb figure.

Really, the Sanchez part of this bothers me the least.

But it's also likely we can get Fisher on he waiver wire too? I mean Joe and Cal should have gotten us more or atleast a better prospect.

[SharoneWright]

Sanchy has no value guys. He's simply the last vestige we have of the Lansing Big 3, so it's a bitter pill to swallow.

[Garrett]

You're speculating at best. You don't know this.

Let's see, a middle reliever who doesn't want to be a reliever who can't miss bats, on an expiring contract. Yeah, that's not going to fetch much.

Sanchez is a starter bro.

[SharoneWright]

You're speculating at best. You don't know this.

Let's see, a middle reliever who doesn't want to be a reliever who can't miss bats, on an expiring contract. Yeah, that's not going to fetch much.

Sanchez is a starter bro.

How's he do?

[agkagk]

I suspect shad’s assessment was pretty spot on.

In order to ditch sanchez’s Modest arbitration figure next year we had to attach assets to him.

Essentially, houston bent over of socially awkward bean counters.

That's not what I'm saying. We could have ditched Sanchez's arb figure for nothing...you can just non-tender arb-eligible players.

True.

But you’re assessment of his arbitration figure was accurate enough and helped me come to that conclusion.

Congrats, you’re a footnote in my random meandering thoughts.

[Scott Hall]

I can't believe Shatkins is getting slammed for this trade on Tim and Sid and by some on Social media. Only in
Toronto would delusional fans cry about a 27 year old pitcher who's gotten worse every year and is 3-14 with
a 6.07 ERA, 1.69 WHIP and -0.5 WAR getting moved.

The front office has peddled some junk for some mystery boxes sounds good to me

We aren’t competing next year so who cares? It’s to save the jays money that’s all. If they actually maybe try to compete a small bit next year then I’m fine with it, otherwise really what’s the point of this trade except as a salary dump. This fisher guy is just gonna be another McKinney for us.

Yeah let's keep scrubs who are trending south instead of opening up a spot for a young player and mystery box...

Sanchez sucks we know this on to the next one

[JN]

The cost on Sanchez for arbitration would have been $4-5 million I would think. (Would not get much of a raise, and I don;t beleive they can give him a pay cut in arbitration -- please correct me if I am wrong)

For that cost I would have held on for one ore year on a potential play for more upside. What player could they sign to $4M this winter that could turn out to have more value come July 2020.

On the other hand if Sanchez had been asked to be traded behind closed doors, it may be better for the franchise to make the move now

[WuTang_CMB]

Lol

What a joke.

Got absolutely nothing in return.

Shatkins are awful at deals. Just rushing to trade guys for zero value. Pathetic.

[Kinger95]

We’re so stupid.

Am I disabled was the last book shatkins read

[Schad]

Sanchez is a starter bro.

And that's the problem: Sanchez is one of the worst starters in baseball over the past three years, and that's when he can stay healthy, which isn't often. He relies heavily on his fastball because his changeup is fringy and his curveball causes blisters, but his fastball is getting hammered, and he can't throw strikes.

Among starters with 200+ IP over the past three years, Sanchez is 2nd-worst in walk rate, 126th out of 141 pitchers in FIP (and many of those below him are or have edged their way out of the majors), 138th out of 141 in SIERA. He's a bad, bad starter, and at 27 the odds have greatly diminished that he'll suddenly discover a couple new pitches and command, which is really what he needs to turn it around.

I don't like Fisher, and thus I don't like this deal, but Sanchez's sheer conviction that he's a starter despite all evidence to the contrary is something of an indication as to why we jettisoned him.

[wow09]

How quickly can Masai learn about the game of baseball?

[phillipmike]

Fisher grades decently in the OF, good contact, not a lot of soft contact, and 70 grade speed. Toronto rolling the dice on a high upside leadoff hitter.

I dont mind getting Fisher at all, i like him very much, its what we had to trade to get him. As many said, if it were one of Biagini, Sanchez or Stevenson for Fisher then i can see the point. 2 for 1, im uncomfortable but still see the point. But 3 for 1, seems like more than they needed to give up and ONLY thing that can save them is Fisher hits out of the gate and becomes a starter for the Jays which is what i think the FO thinks - boy thats a gamble but they have to be sure in their mind to make this deal. This can backfire 3 times.

[WuTang_CMB]

Shatkins should get fired after this. Awful awful