Baltimore Orioles (59-55) @ Toronto Blue Jays (61-52) - August 15-17

[Ranger One]

Orioles will finally stick a fork in them and put us out of our misery. The Blue Jays will be out of a playoff spot for good by Wednesday. Looking forward to what happens in the offseason

Vladdy 458 MILIION $$ contract??

(what a joke. this team has soo much talent--- but can't perform.. they/we demand for more support? they're loafing. these 24 year old guys think someone else should swoop in and win it for them when they are the ones Rogers has been waiting for. it's on them! when the crap hits the fan, you don't wait in the hall navel gazing, you storm the classroom)

Been saying this for months now. These guys ARENT PROS! they behave like immature juveniles. The homerun jacket nonsense needs to go. they look like complete tools. Ive been saying from the beginning that these guys dont have the drive and ambition that the greats with all that talent usually have. This roster looks like a bunch of clowns that are just happy to be there and have no desire or professionalism to make it anywhere. But i cant really put ALL the blame on them for that kind of attitude. That clubhouse has been run like a kindergarten daycare center from the day that Montoyo took over. Its gonna take years of re-conditioning these guys in order to actually turn them into professionals. The legacy of Montoyo is gonna be hard to overcome.

[Madvillainy2004]

Orioles will finally stick a fork in them and put us out of our misery. The Blue Jays will be out of a playoff spot for good by Wednesday. Looking forward to what happens in the offseason

Vladdy 458 MILIION $$ contract??

(what a joke. this team has soo much talent--- but can't perform.. they/we demand for more support? they're loafing. these 24 year old guys think someone else should swoop in and win it for them when they are the ones Rogers has been waiting for. it's on them! when the crap hits the fan, you don't wait in the hall navel gazing, you storm the classroom)

Been saying this for months now. These guys ARENT PROS! they behave like immature juveniles. The homerun jacket nonsense needs to go. they look like complete tools. Ive been saying from the beginning that these guys dont have the drive and ambition that the greats with all that talent usually have. This roster looks like a bunch of clowns that are just happy to be there and have no desire or professionalism to make it anywhere. But i cant really put ALL the blame on them for that kind of attitude. That clubhouse has been run like a kindergarten daycare center from the day that Montoyo took over. Its gonna take years of re-conditioning these guys in order to actually turn them into professionals. The legacy of Montoyo is gonna be hard to overcome.

I guess I disagree but this team easily could've won a WS last year with that attitude and they were a horrendous bullpen away from making the postseason. They've still put themselves in a playoff position despite the struggles I'll wait till we miss the playoffs before saying anything with culture needs to be changed.

[Raps in 4]

Orioles will finally stick a fork in them and put us out of our misery. The Blue Jays will be out of a playoff spot for good by Wednesday. Looking forward to what happens in the offseason

Vladdy 458 MILIION $$ contract??

(what a joke. this team has soo much talent--- but can't perform.. they/we demand for more support? they're loafing. these 24 year old guys think someone else should swoop in and win it for them when they are the ones Rogers has been waiting for. it's on them! when the crap hits the fan, you don't wait in the hall navel gazing, you storm the classroom)

Been saying this for months now. These guys ARENT PROS! they behave like immature juveniles. The homerun jacket nonsense needs to go. they look like complete tools. Ive been saying from the beginning that these guys dont have the drive and ambition that the greats with all that talent usually have. This roster looks like a bunch of clowns that are just happy to be there and have no desire or professionalism to make it anywhere. But i cant really put ALL the blame on them for that kind of attitude. That clubhouse has been run like a kindergarten daycare center from the day that Montoyo took over. Its gonna take years of re-conditioning these guys in order to actually turn them into professionals. The legacy of Montoyo is gonna be hard to overcome.

Every team has a homerun jacket equivalent (a chain, a belt, some other nonsense, etc.).

And Vlad and Bo might be underperforming this year, but they're young. Ups and downs are to be expected early in their careers.

I wouldn't be opposed to a culture shift, but I think that's the least of our worries right now. First, we need a manager with even average tactical sense, new coaches, and some **** pitching.

[Raps in 4]

I don't see how Walker can stick into next season after all the subpar pitching performances this year. Kikuchi obviously, but there's little reason Berrios should have fallen apart this year unless there's an injury that hasn't been divulged.

I want a clean house of the coaching staff. New manager, new pitching coach, new hitting coach.

[Raps in 4]

With tonight’s loss, #Bluejays are now 6-14 when Yusei Kikuchi starts and 55-38 when anybody else does.

That's a remarkable stat. Wow. I had no idea it was quite that bad.

Why did we give up Max Castillo again? Especially when Tapia is still playing almost every day?

I've said it before, if Berrios and Kikuchi were even just mediocre starters this season (like Mitch White level), we'd be only a few games behind the Yankees right now, not fighting for a playoff spot with the **** Orioles.

[Madvillainy2004]

With tonight’s loss, #Bluejays are now 6-14 when Yusei Kikuchi starts and 55-38 when anybody else does.

That's a remarkable stat. Wow. I had no idea it was quite that bad.

Why did we give up Max Castillo again? Especially when Tapia is still playing almost every day?

I've said it before, if Berrios and Kikuchi were even just mediocre starters this season (like Mitch White level), we'd be only a few games behind the Yankees right now, not fighting for a playoff spot with the **** Orioles.

I try my best not to use stuff like momentum/morale in my analysis (being something you can't know exact or measure) but having guys like Kikuchi/Berrios have us go down like 5 runs before the 4th every night can't be helping the offense at all.

[Madvillainy2004]

With tonight’s loss, #Bluejays are now 6-14 when Yusei Kikuchi starts and 55-38 when anybody else does.

That's a remarkable stat. Wow. I had no idea it was quite that bad.

Why did we give up Max Castillo again? Especially when Tapia is still playing almost every day?

I've said it before, if Berrios and Kikuchi were even just mediocre starters this season (like Mitch White level), we'd be only a few games behind the Yankees right now, not fighting for a playoff spot with the **** Orioles.

Yeah l didn't expect cy young seasons from these guys but holy these guys just lose us games so fast. It's not like they get killed by singles they give up some of the hardest contact in the league by avg exit velocity.

[Madvillainy2004]

Why is Jackie Bradley Jr playing? Lol

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[Randle McMurphy]

I haven't checked every candidate for this (most of them though), but I'm fairly sure that Berrios' 70 ERA+ is the worst by any qualified Jays starter in franchise history. Kikuchi at 75 ERA+ this year is little better and also is in the running for one of the worst seasons in Jays history (at least he's sucked on less innings). Chris Carpenter's 6.26 ERA in 2000, for example, in 175 innings was a 81 ERA+, while Ricky Romero's 5.77 ERA in 180 innings in 2012 came to a 73 ERA+.

Berrios' WAR (0.0) is also the lowest in franchise history as well by any qualified starter: https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2022&month=0&season1=1977&ind=1&team=14&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=1977-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31&sort=21,a

Incredible stuff.

[Raider917]

its becoming must win time.

[Madvillainy2004]

Thats the start I wanted lets blow these guys out

[Fairview4Life]

Didn't even realize we had JBJ to play centre. The nightmare is hopefully over.

[Randle McMurphy]

Didn't even realize we had JBJ to play centre. The nightmare is hopefully over.

JBJ is arguably worse than Zimmer these days. The new nightmare may have just begun.

[Lateral Quicks]

Bichette is finally batting in the bottom third of the lineup, where he belongs. It took longer than I would have liked, but kudos to Schneider for eventually getting him down there.

Now it's up to Bichette to merit a bump up.

[Randle McMurphy]

Unsurprisingly, batting Chapman higher wasn't actually the solution after all.

[Hottie McShotty]

Bichette in the 7th spot tonight. About damn time! He has underperformed all season long.

[TOStateofMind]

Just looked and the Jays lead the AL in GIDP, unsurprisingly. Only a couple of the crappy NL teams are above them.

[Randle McMurphy]

Just looked and the Jays lead the AL in GIDP, unsurprisingly. Only a couple of the crappy NL teams are above them.

Probably a product of both having a lot of baserunners and a high hard hit rate (which I believe is the highest in baseball) in comparison to most.

[Lateral Quicks]

Unsurprisingly, batting Chapman higher wasn't actually the solution after all.

The solution is Bichette hitting like the guy most people thought he was, rather than like Santiago Espinal with more mistake-pitch homers and much worse plate control.

In the meantime, I'd much rather have both Hernandez (OPS+ 129) and Chapman (OPS+ 122) ahead of Bichette in the lineup.