General Blue Jays Thread: 2024 Off-Season

ItsDanger · Post #861 » by **ItsDanger** » Wed Oct 2, 2024 6:58 pm

Calls Varsho a huge mistake around 12:00.

Fairview4Life · Post #862 » by **Fairview4Life** » Wed Oct 2, 2024 7:05 pm

Cool, he's as wrong as you are.

ItsDanger · Post #863 » by **ItsDanger** » Wed Oct 2, 2024 7:06 pm

Nathan Lukes got a 1.1 WAR in 22 games. Imagine if he played 136 like Varsho.

Advanced stats should only be used to provide indicators not to base entire decisions upon.

Randle McMurphy · Post #864 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Wed Oct 2, 2024 10:26 pm

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Looks like Shapiro is on the side of selling high. Not a chance they give him the money he’s looking for.

Raps in 4 · Post #865 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Oct 2, 2024 10:36 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Looks like Shapiro is on the side of selling high. Not a chance they give him the money he’s looking for.

A different FO should be in charge of selling high on the team's most valuable asset.

Mehar · Post #866 » by **Mehar** » Wed Oct 2, 2024 11:12 pm

ItsDanger wrote:

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Calls Varsho a huge mistake around 12:00.

I guess Bowden does not have the MLB credentials like some others do, who view Varsho as a Top 15 MLB Player.

Randle McMurphy · Post #867 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 12:03 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Looks like Shapiro is on the side of selling high. Not a chance they give him the money he’s looking for.

A different FO should be in charge of selling high on the team's most valuable asset.

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Raptors Realtor · Post #868 » by **Raptors Realtor** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 12:26 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Looks like Shapiro is on the side of selling high. Not a chance they give him the money he’s looking for.

I read that differently... Shapiro doesn't want to call him a generational talent because he doesn't want it to be used as leverage during contract negotiations. If he was planning to sell high he'd have definitely called him such... With that said, I agree with Shapiro, it's too early for Vladdy to be handed that moniker yet, he has to sustain this success for multiple seasons in a row.

Raps in 4 · Post #869 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 12:29 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Looks like Shapiro is on the side of selling high. Not a chance they give him the money he’s looking for.

A different FO should be in charge of selling high on the team's most valuable asset.

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So, after a 4 year rebuild, the team had a short competitive window where they made the playoffs twice (as wild cards each time), won zero games in the process, and are now staring down the barrel of another rebuild because they have an aging core on a $200M+ payroll, our few young players are up for massive contract extensions, and we have a bottom-5 farm system that is unable to plug the holes left by those aging/departing players.

I'm positively shocked our esteemed FO didn't make it on this list with even a single vote.

Randle McMurphy · Post #870 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 1:11 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
A different FO should be in charge of selling high on the team's most valuable asset.

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So, after a 4 year rebuild, the team had a short competitive window where they made the playoffs twice (as wild cards each time), won zero games in the process, and are now staring down the barrel of another rebuild because they have an aging core on a $200M+ payroll, our few young players are up for massive contract extensions, and we have a bottom-5 farm system that is unable to plug the holes left by those aging/departing players.

I'm positively shocked our esteemed FO didn't make it on this list with even a single vote.

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Randle McMurphy · Post #871 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 1:13 am

Raptors Realtor wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:

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Looks like Shapiro is on the side of selling high. Not a chance they give him the money he’s looking for.

I read that differently... Shapiro doesn't want to call him a generational talent because he doesn't want it to be used as leverage during contract negotiations. If he was planning to sell high he'd have definitely called him such... With that said, I agree with Shapiro, it's too early for Vladdy to be handed that moniker yet, he has to sustain this success for multiple seasons in a row.

Could be, I suppose. Still would be surprised to see this particular FO pay a 1B with his track record huge money. They’d rather make a play to try to get Soto.

Raps in 4 · Post #872 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 1:20 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:

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So, after a 4 year rebuild, the team had a short competitive window where they made the playoffs twice (as wild cards each time), won zero games in the process, and are now staring down the barrel of another rebuild because they have an aging core on a $200M+ payroll, our few young players are up for massive contract extensions, and we have a bottom-5 farm system that is unable to plug the holes left by those aging/departing players.

I'm positively shocked our esteemed FO didn't make it on this list with even a single vote.

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I thought you were all about competing and not treadmilling. Now you're content with an "OK" front office? Good to know.

Randle McMurphy · Post #873 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 1:49 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
So, after a 4 year rebuild, the team had a short competitive window where they made the playoffs twice (as wild cards each time), won zero games in the process, and are now staring down the barrel of another rebuild because they have an aging core on a $200M+ payroll, our few young players are up for massive contract extensions, and we have a bottom-5 farm system that is unable to plug the holes left by those aging/departing players.

I'm positively shocked our esteemed FO didn't make it on this list with even a single vote.

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I thought you were all about competing and not treadmilling. Now you're content with an "OK" front office? Good to know.

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Lateral Quicks · Post #874 » by **Lateral Quicks** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 2:08 am

I really hate how Atkins talks. He uses a lot of words to say not much of anything.

Raps in 4 · Post #875 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 3:41 am

Lateral Quicks wrote:I really hate how Atkins talks. He uses a lot of words to say not much of anything.

He might just be in over his head as a baseball executive.

Raps in 4 · Post #876 » by **Raps in 4** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 3:42 am

Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:

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I thought you were all about competing and not treadmilling. Now you're content with an "OK" front office? Good to know.

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That 2020 team getting into the shortened season playoffs with a 32-28 record and -10 run differential was the pinnacle of sporting achievement. I'm glad you have such high standards for this team.

Randle McMurphy · Post #877 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 4:05 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Randle McMurphy wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
I thought you were all about competing and not treadmilling. Now you're content with an "OK" front office? Good to know.

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That 2020 team getting into the shortened season playoffs with a 32-28 record and -10 run differential was the pinnacle of sporting achievement. I'm glad you have such high standards for this team.

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Mehar · Post #878 » by **Mehar** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 4:44 am

There should not be a comparison to the Gillick years, when we have expanded playoffs now and 12 teams (6 in each league) qualify for the post-season. 16 teams qualified in 2020. If there was no pandemic and expanded 16 team playoffs that year because of COVID, the Jays would not have qualified for the 2020 playoffs. The facts are Shapiro/Atkins have produced Zero Playoffs win in 9 years, on a Top 10 Payroll most years. The farm system is bottom tier with an aging roster, and this team has holes everywhere.

How anyone can be fine with The Three Stooges- Shapiro, Atkins and Schneider coming back next year to fix the mess they created is a head scratcher. In no other American City, would Dumb and Dumber be brought back for a 10th year after the disaster of a season this was. I was hoping James Click could have been promoted to GM instead, but that hope was gone after today's Press Conference.

fbalmeida · Post #879 » by **fbalmeida** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 8:30 am

Raps in 4 wrote:This FO is a joke. This is what I mean when I say this FO doesn't know how to apply analytics. Imagine thinking that power is overrated in 2024.

They're trying to outsmart the rest of the league and re-write established dogma. Buy they're failing miserably. Shapiro and Atkins are prime examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

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That Ross whatever gentlemen is talking about the playoffs with such acumen and nuance. He seems to be really acquainted with the experience of how to actually get there.

bluerap23 · Post #880 » by **bluerap23** » Thu Oct 3, 2024 1:54 pm

Mehar wrote:There should not be a comparison to the Gillick years, when we have expanded playoffs now and 12 teams (6 in each league) qualify for the post-season. 16 teams qualified in 2020. If there was no pandemic and expanded 16 team playoffs that year because of COVID, the Jays would not have qualified for the 2020 playoffs. The facts are Shapiro/Atkins have produced Zero Playoffs win in 9 years, on a Top 10 Payroll most years. The farm system is bottom tier with an aging roster, and this team has holes everywhere.

How anyone can be fine with The Three Stooges- Shapiro, Atkins and Schneider coming back next year to fix the mess they created is a head scratcher. In no other American City, would Dumb and Dumber be brought back for a 10th year after the disaster of a season this was. I was hoping James Click could have been promoted to GM instead, but that hope was gone after today's Press Conference.

This. Under Gillick 4/28 teams made the post-season. We were a consistent contender and always had good talent on the farm. Also - had excellent international scouting. AA was also way better at building the farm than these clowns. Yes he cashed all those chips to win, but a decade later and the cupboard is still bare.