2025 Minor League/Prospects Discussion Thread

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This farm system is really depressing. Orelvis now looks like a platoon guy that can only take on leftys. Almost 10 years in and Shatkins Cupboard still bear.

He's a 22 year old with a .850 OPS in AAA. Probably best to hold judgment on that one.

Check his R/L splits. Not just this year but for his career. It has come up as a flag. He destroys lefties but struggles significantly with righties. He'll have to figure that out or he won't make it in the bigs. Not a small concern.

Beyond Orelvis - the bigger issue is that this organization only seems to be able to develop role players. A big part of why we are in last place with 200 million payroll.

For at least a day, not in last place.

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He's. a hero for a day. Victor Arias was 4-5 with eight RBIs for Dunedin yesterday. Though not a top 30 prospect, and unlikely to become one, he had a night he'll never forget.

https://www.milb.com/player/victor-arias-692478

[bluerap23]

The lack of good news in this thread speaks volumes

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The lack of good news in this thread speaks volumes

I wouldn’t pin that on this thread. I’m less active in posting regularly because I want to see how a guy does at more than one level. Right now, some of the top ranked prospects are injured. Tiedemann, Barriera and Maroudus among pitchers. The system does lack big power bats, but I can point out guys at all levels who have legitimate major league aspirations, I just can’t point to a looming superstar or perennial all-star.

[ItsDanger]

The '93 World Series had Carlos Delgado and Shawn Green on the bench. That shows you back then getting young prospects was a high priority and they were bringing up quality talent every season. Wow, have times changed. This is really the biggest flaw on the team currently: lack of minor league talent.

[bluerap23]

The lack of good news in this thread speaks volumes

I wouldn’t pin that on this thread. I’m less active in posting regularly because I want to see how a guy does at more than one level. Right now, some of the top ranked prospects are injured. Tiedemann, Barriera and Maroudus among pitchers. The system does lack big power bats, but I can point out guys at all levels who have legitimate major league aspirations, I just can’t point to a looming superstar or perennial all-star.

I’m not pinning it on the thread. I’m pinning it on management. This may be the weakest farm system in the history of the organization. Shapiro lambasted AA for having bare cupboards. 10 years later things are still god awful. At least AA built a farm that he was able to leverage into a contender via trade.

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I tend to agree with blogger DM Fox that the Jays system isn't as bad as it is because of bad drafting, but at least partly because of trading away prospects, sometimes for some value, sometimes to keep live faint playoff hopes. One can argue the value of trading Moreno and Woods Richardson - two guys now on major league rosters - but losing Robberse and Hoglund and having nothing to show for it today is harder to justify. Hoglund will likely hit the majors next season. Possibly Robberse as well, but he's injured and I'm not sure if he needs surgery.

[bluerap23]

I tend to agree with blogger DM Fox that the Jays system isn't as bad as it is because of bad drafting, but at least partly because of trading away prospects, sometimes for some value, sometimes to keep live faint playoff hopes. One can argue the value of trading Moreno and Woods Richardson - two guys now on major league rosters - but losing Robberse and Hoglund and having nothing to show for it today is harder to justify. Hoglund will likely hit the majors next season. Possibly Robberse as well, but he's injured and I'm not sure if he needs surgery.

By comparison - how many quality prospects has Tampa produced in the rein of shatkins?

[Cyrus]

Its not a really fair comparison, as Tampa basically trades everyone (But a few) as they get into walk years. By now if Tampa had Bo / Vlad, no matter where the team is positionally, they'd have been moved for host of prospects. Same would be said about Jansen like 2 yeas ago.

There are plenty of teams who operate the samish way as us, and has a much better prospect pool than us - Yanks, Padres, Dodgers, etc. Who have traded a bunch of them, and still a top 5-6 farm team that you can lay criticize to the jays.

[JTT]

I think the Dodgers are the gold standard, not sure about the Rays. While they produce a ton of prospects, they’re having way too many Tommy Johns with their young pitchers for it to be a coincidence.

I think the Indians do a fantastic job. They did with Atkins, but then after as well .Makes me think it must be their processes rather than people. Don’t know if the Orioles have been lucky or just that skilled, but they just can’t miss right now.

[bluerap23]

Just looked up the top 10 to see how their current season is going. Either cursed or these guys all suck.

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Just looked up the top 10 to see how their current season is going. Either cursed or these guys all suck.

It's awful. Right now, their best starter prospects - Maraudis, Tiedemann, Barriera, Macko, Jennings - are all on injured lists. Plus Manoah.

Some of their best relief prospects as well: Cooke, Brock. I don't know if this is typical of the minor league systems of other teams, or there is a dark cloud over the Jays, or a systemic problem I can't identify.

[ItsDanger]

Jays can afford a big payroll, therefore maybe adjust strategy somewhat on prospects. With pitchers so injury prone, draft a lot more hitters and trade for or sign free agent pitching. Might be a more cost effective way of building a team.

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Mariners Top Prospect Rankings - 2024 - MLB.com

Jonatan Clase

OF, Seattle Mariners

AGE: 22

BATS: S

DOB: 05/23/2002

THROWS: R

HT: 5' 10"

SIGNED: July 2, 2018 - SEA

WT: 150

ETA: 2024

Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 45 | Run: 70 | Arm: 40 | Field: 50 | Overall: 45

Clase has long been touted as the fastest runner in Seattle’s system, and he supported that designation with a historic 2023, when he stole 79 bases in 94 attempts between High-A Everett and Double-A Arkansas to pair with 20 homers. He became the first player since records began tracking in 1961 to have a 20-70 season in the Minors. It was perhaps a result of Clase finally being consistently healthy after dealing with multiple injuries, albeit minor and more nagging, in recent years. The obvious question after is, what’s next for the 2018 signee out of the Dominican Republic?

A dip in production after the promotion shows that he’ll need to continue mastering Double-A and Arkansas’ very pitcher-friendly ballpark, as his OPS dipped from 1.154 to .727 between the affiliates. Yet despite his 5-foot-9 frame, the power appears legitimate, leading to great intrigue on what his overall hit tool will look like when he’s fully developed. Maintaining a sound approach and not selling out for power and getting away from his best abilities will also be vital.

Speed will always be Clase’s calling card, and coupling those wheels with improved route running should allow him to play center field in the Majors on days where Julio Rodriguez needs a break. His floor over the next 18-24 months might be in the neighborhood of Taylor Trammell, who hasn’t yet established himself in the Majors but has shown flashes. And his ceiling would be an everyday player who might give up a little in the batting average department but makes up for it by drawing walks and running into some power while playing good defense.

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[Duffman100]

And Tieddeman TJ. This season is great

[Cyrus]

And Tieddeman TJ. This season is great

Out this year and next, hasn't even built up to take a decent work load. Going to be atleast 2 to 3 years for him to pitch at big leagues and that's assuming everything goes well.

Our top positional player suspended for a year with roads, so yeah

Nightmare season continues

[polo007]

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Organization wracking up the 4th OF types.