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The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:00 am
by LittleOzzy
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For the second straight year the Toronto Blue Jays went with pitching, selecting Georgia Tech right-hander Deck McGuire with the 11th overall pick in Monday night’s Major League Baseball draft.

McGuire, who turns 21 on June 23, went 9-4 with a 2.36 ERA in 16 starts this spring. The 6-foot-6 power pitcher struck out 118 batters in 112 innings for a Tech team that is still playing in the Atlanta Regional of the NCAA tournament.

Saturday McGuire pitched eight innings in a 5-2 win over Alabama, giving up both runs and striking out six batters.

“He’s got size, he’s got good delivery and arm action and he’s got good stuff,” said Andrew Tinnish, the Jays’ director of amateur scouting. “He’s got a good slider, a good changeup and he complements it with a curveball he can throw for strikes.”

Last season the Jays used their first pick on another tall power pitcher from a Georgia university, selecting Kennesaw State’s Chad Jenkins with the 20th overall pick.



http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/ ... draft-pick

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:06 am
by LittleOzzy
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Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:10 am
by darth_federer
Has a great name. Looks like he has a lot of pitches and good command (not unlike Marcum).

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:23 am
by Schad
Straight-as-an-arrow low-90s fastball, somewhat above-average secondary stuff and control, will give up a tonne of fly balls...what's not to love?

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:25 am
by SharoneWright
Schadenfreude wrote:Straight-as-an-arrow low-90s fastball, ..... will give up a tonne of fly balls


"Upper Deck"?

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 1:27 am
by Schad
SharoneWright wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:Straight-as-an-arrow low-90s fastball, ..... will give up a tonne of fly balls


"Upper Deck"?


...and we have a nickname.

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 2:06 am
by wicked_crossova
pitching ftw

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 2:28 pm
by Strav
Schadenfreude wrote:
SharoneWright wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:Straight-as-an-arrow low-90s fastball, ..... will give up a tonne of fly balls


"Upper Deck"?


...and we have a nickname.


wouldn't that nik imply that he's prone to give up big homers though?

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 2:34 pm
by Duffman100
Nothing but RPH with our first four picks! sweet!

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 3:30 pm
by tsherkin
Heh, Upper Deck.

But what happens when the Jays get him throwing a cut fastball, as seems to be the norm the last few years?

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 6:31 pm
by The Flying Gent
This guy is getting a bit of a rough deal around here because he wasn't everyone's favorite guy in the range of our pick i think. I don't know nearly as much about prospects as a lot of people here do but i do know the draft is pretty much a crap shoot right? That the jays are higher on this guy then most after revamping their scouting (according to Bastian), that's enough for me to have a little faith.

But then again, i don't know a thing about prospects so...

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 7:48 pm
by J-Roc
Didn't AA up the scouting staff this year? So let's just assume that they "know what they're doing". I have zero expectations out of any baseball draft. Even if we were the Washington Nationals, what's a couple of pitchers? So many more positions to fill on a baseball team before you're contending.

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 8, 2010 10:03 pm
by Schad
Perfect Game's full profile:

SCOUTING PROFILE (3/1):McGuire has emerged as an elite prospect for the 2010 draft a little more quietly than some of his higher-profile peers, but could end up making a run at becoming the first college arm drafted when it’s all said and done. He positioned himself as a significant first-round candidate with an outstanding sophomore season at Georgia Tech, earning Atlantic Coast Conference pitcher-of-the-year honors for an 11-2, 3.50 campaign, with 118 strikeouts in 100 innings. He only enhanced his status with a fast start to the 2010 season, going 4-1, 1.17 with 49 strikeouts in his first 46 innings, and out-dueling the more acclaimed Matt Harvey, 2-1, in a key ACC showdown between Georgia Tech and North Carolina in late March. Even at 6-foot-6 and 230 pounds, McGuire is one of the more polished pitchers in the country. He relies equally on raw stuff and advanced pitchability for his success. He has three quality big-league pitches, including a fastball that is consistently in the 89-92 mph range, and approaches the mid-90s on occasion. While his velocity isn't overpowering, especially for a pitcher his size, he gets good sinking and running action on his fastball. His high-70s breaking ball, a cross between a slider and curve, is one of the best around, and his changeup is above average. He gets high marks for his deceptive delivery, impressive command and excellent mound presence. For all the success McGuire has enjoyed at Georgia Tech, acclaim has been relatively slow in coming. Despite a celebrated baseball and football career at Virginia’s Deep Run High, where as a senior he went 10-1, 1.35 with 129 strikeouts, and also set school career records for homers and RBIs while hitting .479-5-31, McGuire went undrafted. Even as he went 8-1 as a freshman at Georgia Tech, he didn’t earn his due as he was used mainly in a mid-week role. Unlike most other top college arms, McGuire also never pitched during the summer for Team USA or in the high-profile Cape Cod League, further adding to his anonymity. But he firmly established his credentials in the summer of 2008, pitching for his hometown Peninsula team in the Coastal Plain League. He was a no-brainer choice as the league’s top prospect by going 8-0, 1.28 in 11 starts and allowing just 35 hits in 56 innings while striking out 65. He quickly assumed the Friday role the next spring at Georgia Tech, based on that performance, and hasn’t slowed down since.—ALLAN SIMPSON


The "good sinking action" is one I haven't been hearing...one of the knocks on him that I've read is that his fastball is easy to square, which makes him prone to home runs. If he can get good downward movement on it in the pros, that does improve his chances of succeeding. Still don't particularly like the pick, but yeah.

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2010 12:16 am
by Komodo
Despite a celebrated baseball and football career at Virginia’s Deep Run High, where as a senior he went 10-1, 1.35 with 129 strikeouts, and also set school career records for homers and RBIs while hitting .479-5-31, McGuire went undrafted.


Strange. Very strange. It seems like HS pitchers are all the craze, wonder why he has been looked over.

OT, and I used baseball reference, but stats only say so much: how has Drabek been doing in AA? Does he look promising? And is he in AA because AAA is more harsh on pitchers, ie. it's a batter-friendly league?

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2010 12:29 am
by SharoneWright
komodo19 wrote:OT, and I used baseball reference, but stats only say so much: how has Drabek been doing in AA? Does he look promising? And is he in AA because AAA is more harsh on pitchers, ie. it's a batter-friendly league?


My impression is a qualified yes, and a yes.

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2010 1:05 am
by OldNo7
Everything I read today had people praising the Jays for their first 4 picks, saying they didnt miss on any of them. They also said Sanchez was the best value pick other than Cox to the Cards.

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2010 1:19 am
by Schad
komodo19 wrote:OT, and I used baseball reference, but stats only say so much: how has Drabek been doing in AA? Does he look promising? And is he in AA because AAA is more harsh on pitchers, ie. it's a batter-friendly league?


Up and down, but pretty good overall. Walks too many batters, but has a good groundball rate and doesn't give up HRs.

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2010 2:34 am
by number15
Deck McGuire was actully the 3rd highest ranked college player in the draft..... i was surprised the Jays landed him at 11th overall. Also he is said to be the most MLB ready player in the draft.

though the true steal is Sanchez. I think he'll translate into the best player for the Jays

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2010 11:31 am
by rtcaino
Schadenfreude wrote:Perfect Game's full profile:

SCOUTING PROFILE (3/1):McGuire has emerged as an elite prospect for the 2010 draft a little more quietly than some of his higher-profile peers, but could end up making a run at becoming the first college arm drafted when it’s all said and done. He positioned himself as a significant first-round candidate with an outstanding sophomore season at Georgia Tech, earning Atlantic Coast Conference pitcher-of-the-year honors for an 11-2, 3.50 campaign, with 118 strikeouts in 100 innings. He only enhanced his status with a fast start to the 2010 season, going 4-1, 1.17 with 49 strikeouts in his first 46 innings, and out-dueling the more acclaimed Matt Harvey, 2-1, in a key ACC showdown between Georgia Tech and North Carolina in late March. Even at 6-foot-6 and 230 pounds, McGuire is one of the more polished pitchers in the country. He relies equally on raw stuff and advanced pitchability for his success. He has three quality big-league pitches, including a fastball that is consistently in the 89-92 mph range, and approaches the mid-90s on occasion. While his velocity isn't overpowering, especially for a pitcher his size, he gets good sinking and running action on his fastball. His high-70s breaking ball, a cross between a slider and curve, is one of the best around, and his changeup is above average. He gets high marks for his deceptive delivery, impressive command and excellent mound presence. For all the success McGuire has enjoyed at Georgia Tech, acclaim has been relatively slow in coming. Despite a celebrated baseball and football career at Virginia’s Deep Run High, where as a senior he went 10-1, 1.35 with 129 strikeouts, and also set school career records for homers and RBIs while hitting .479-5-31, McGuire went undrafted. Even as he went 8-1 as a freshman at Georgia Tech, he didn’t earn his due as he was used mainly in a mid-week role. Unlike most other top college arms, McGuire also never pitched during the summer for Team USA or in the high-profile Cape Cod League, further adding to his anonymity. But he firmly established his credentials in the summer of 2008, pitching for his hometown Peninsula team in the Coastal Plain League. He was a no-brainer choice as the league’s top prospect by going 8-0, 1.28 in 11 starts and allowing just 35 hits in 56 innings while striking out 65. He quickly assumed the Friday role the next spring at Georgia Tech, based on that performance, and hasn’t slowed down since.—ALLAN SIMPSON


The "good sinking action" is one I haven't been hearing...one of the knocks on him that I've read is that his fastball is easy to square, which makes him prone to home runs. If he can get good downward movement on it in the pros, that does improve his chances of succeeding. Still don't particularly like the pick, but yeah.


This is certainly encouraging.

The very nature of the scouting information that we as fans tend to get, makes it very likely to be out dated, or unrepresentative of the players performance. More likely we need to balance multiple reports, to control for individual biases, variances in performance, and differing expertise of the scout.

Hopefully reports of his extremely straight fastball are at least somewhat unrepresentative of his underlying capabilities. Dissenting opinions like this are good news.

After having 12 scouts watch this kid, with at least a couple of these guys seeing him multiple times, I'd hope they saw him sink one or two pitches.

Re: The Deck McGuire Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 9, 2010 4:30 pm
by luvtheteam
number15 wrote:Deck McGuire was actully the 3rd highest ranked college player in the draft..... i was surprised the Jays landed him at 11th overall. Also he is said to be the most MLB ready player in the draft.

though the true steal is Sanchez. I think he'll translate into the best player for the Jays


I really like Sanchez as well. Very nice smooth delivery. The body will fill out. Seems to have good mound presence already as a HSchooler. Got to be huge upside here. In terms of a quick comparison, he's not unlike Brett Cecli in terms of stature and he's no doubt every bit the prospect that Brett was when we likewise selected him as a supplemental first round selection.

Deck already looks very polished with an array of quality pitches to work with. Doesn't look like he'll be blowing people away but will be one of these craft pitchers with and excellent repetoire that will keep you off balance. Sounds like a real competitor as well. Could be another Shawn Marcum here. Just hope his arm is 100%. I always worry about these college pitchers as they often get abused by the college programs. Hopefully there are no hidden/latent problems waiting to show themselves. Fingers crossed on this one.

That's why the Gillick era was always about getting quality HS arms in the program. That way you can look after them, limit their innings, monitor their health etc... It looks like AA has re-adopted this philosophy with the sheer number of HS pitchers selected this year. They won't be able to sign them all, but with this draft and, say, the next 2 more, the future pitching on this team will be outstanding as many of these kids will blossom in the system. They were saying during the Monday night draft broadcast that the Jays provide very good instruction to the young pitchers in the system and many are able to learn new pitches to round out their skillset.