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Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:35 am
by darth_federer
Four years ago, the Blue Jays rotation was a recognizable bunch. Roy Halladay, A.J. Burnett and Ted Lilly headlined a talented, established group of starters. Now, the talent is there, but the pitchers are less experienced. And Shaun Marcum, who made his first big league start on that 2006 team, likes that he and his 2010 rotation-mates are surprising some people around the league.
“It’s good, because I’ve always been underrated,” Marcum told MLBTR. “So it’s something I’ve dealt with my whole life. I’ve been undersized; I haven’t been strong; everybody’s had something to knock on me, so to be underrated means to fly under the radar and sneak up on people.”
That's just what the Blue Jays are doing, but Marcum knows he, Ricky Romero, Brandon Morrow and Brett Cecil are not exactly a secret.
“I think people kind of know who we are right now,” Marcum said. “People give us credit [and acknowledge] Brandon, Brett and Ricky, so the names are out there."
The numbers are there, too. Marcum returned from Tommy John surgery to post a 3.61 ERA this season and toss a one-hitter, thanks to one of the league's best change-ups. Morrow, who tossed a one-hitter of his own, leads the American League with 10.9 K/9, more than any qualified starter since 2007 (Erik Bedard). Meanwhile, Romero (3.54 ERA, 7.7 K/9, 3.3 BB/9) and Cecil (3.80 ERA, 6.4 K/9, 2.8 BB/9) have impressed in their sophomore seasons. The group has improved this year and Marcum says we can expect similar adjustments from the rotation in 2011.
“It’s young, gaining more experience each and every time out, getting better each and every time out,” Marcum said. “Especially Brandon, Brett and Ricky, they’ve developed into three great pitchers and they’re going to be main guys in this rotation for years to come.”
Marcum, Romero, Cecil and Morrow are under team control through 2012 or longer, but they won’t be enough. GM Alex Anthopoulos will need to round out his rotation with at least one starter next year and potentially more (he can't count on the same remarkable health Blue Jays starters have shown in 2010).
Top prospect Zach Stewart has showed promise in the minor leagues, and so has Brad Mills. Stewart, who is starting again, posted a 3.71 ERA with 7.7 K/9 in AA. Mills, 25, has struggled in the majors, but has posted solid numbers at Triple A Las Vegas, a hitter-friendly environment. Plus, Marc Rzepczynski, Jesse Litsch, Scott Richmond and Shawn Hill all have big league experience as starters. On the depth chart right beside them is Kyle Drabek, the 2010 Eastern League pitcher of the year. That distinction, which came after a season in which Drabek posted a 2.89 ERA and threw a no-hitter, caught Marcum’s attention.
“And he’s not the only one," Marcum said. "There’s other pitchers down [in the minor leagues], too. For him to go out and have the year that he had is good for him and good for this organization and hopefully we can get him up here soon to help out.”
Drabek is one of many internal options the Blue Jays have, so it would be a surprise to see the team pursue free agent starters this winter. The organization has the depth to fill its rotation from within and Blue Jays starters have the ability to establish themselves as one of the tougher groups in the league.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/t ... ation.htmlDecent article on the future rotation. How many of these guys can be future aces?
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:46 am
by beater97
I would expect Dustin McGowan would want a spot in that rotation to.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:45 am
by Ong_dynasty
I was actually thinking about this the other day.
I know we have options and so forth.
But i always thought if we can get a good pitcher ala Bedard (he is a FA next year right?) for a friendly contract. It may just be worth it to see if we can push for a playoff spot while not affecting the youth movement.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:36 am
by OldNo7
beater97 wrote:I would expect Dustin McGowan would want a spot in that rotation to.
Good luck with that. There is no evidence that he will even pitch again, let alone start, and start successfully.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:05 pm
by YogiStewart
OldNo7 wrote:beater97 wrote:I would expect Dustin McGowan would want a spot in that rotation to.
Good luck with that. There is no evidence that he will even pitch again, let alone start, and start successfully.
guess he missed the memo.
McGowan is done.
i give him a 10% chance of ever pitching again, and that's probably generous.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:34 pm
by Rapcity_11
beater97 wrote:I would expect Dustin McGowan would want a spot in that rotation to.
If he ever pitches again, it'll be out of the pen...
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 3:52 pm
by Strav
our starting rotation for next year is fantastic. It's the bullpen that needs lots of tweaking.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:28 pm
by evilRyu
that's a great article.. i remember some people mentioned dangling Marcum as a trade chip to fill another positional need.. what are your thoughts now? He's the leader of the rotation, hate to see him go.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:31 pm
by TheMainEvent
As of now, I figure that Romero, Cecil, and Morrow are the only sure starters at the beginning of next season. If Marcum is still here he's obviously in there as well, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's moved. I'd love to see Drabek in the rotation at the start of next season, but I wouldn't be surprised if he plays a bit in AAA first.
I don't think Rzepczynski, Mills, and Stewart are good major league pitchers, but I guess they're only expected to fill out the fifth spot, if at all, and fifth starters usually aren't that good anyways. Litsch may be out for the season. I liked Richmond and Shawn Hill at times in their brief stints in the major leagues, but I don't know how either have been pitching this season.
If the starting rotation next season is Cecil, Drabek, Marcum, Morrow, and Romero, I'd be fine with that. But I also wouldn't be opposed to moving Marcum for a better bat (maybe at first or third), and acquiring a young pitcher (younger than Marcum with more potential than Rzepczyinski/Mills/Stewart/Richmond, etc.) to fill in.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:32 pm
by Hendrix
I'de be very oppopsed to moving Marcum personally.
Our #1-#4 spots are very sexy currently, and Marcum is the most trustworthy pitcher in it imo. All we need is a 5th starter and that should be easy enough to round out. Then we really don't have to worry about the rotation. If we get rid of Marcum for a prospect, and another pitcher goes down with injury our rotation is f'd and we're far from competing again.
Yes Marcum is a bit older but the guy is only 28, and his style of pitching should last a bit. If we're focusing on drafting pitchers we should have plenty of options by the time Marcum's out of the picture anyways.
I'm really liking the way we're set up next year. I think the rotation should be.
Morrow. (ace potential, and ace peripherals this year)
Romero*. Great #2 pitcher. Fringe #1 guy
Marcum. Great #2 pitcher.
Cecil. Great #3 pitcher.
Let Rzep, Drabek, Litsch, Richmond fight over the 5th spot in spring training.
Potentially a top 3 rotation in the AL imo
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2010 5:56 am
by Weems
I hope we don't do something silly with Zep.
Re: Blue Jays rotation in 2011
Posted: Wed Sep 1, 2010 3:30 pm
by Rapcity_11
Personally, I'd like to keep Marcum around. I don't see the Jays getting a big return on him as he is one of those underated really solid starter types without much hype. And if the Jays do move him, I would think it would have to be for a position player, there's no reason to swap Marcum for potential arms (the Jays already have a bunch). Also, he's only 28 and pitches a style to last plently more years...Why can't the Jays get at least 5-7 more years out of him? He won't be cheap anymore, but still not too expensive.
Now this could all change depending on trade offers, but I just don't see many teams selling the farm to get Marcum, as good as he is.
Thoughts?