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2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:07 pm
by LittleOzzy
Somewhere out there, there's a team about to turn into Next Year's San Francisco Giants.

And by that, we don't mean a team that's looking to lead the league in fortuitous waiver claims, scrap-heap excavations or most playings of "Don't Stop Believin'."

By that, of course, we can only mean one thing:

Pitching.


5. TORONTO BLUE JAYS

THEIR YOUNG GUNS
Ricky Romero, 25 next year
Brandon Morrow, 26
Brett Cecil, 24
Marc Rzepczynski, 25
Jesse Litsch, 26
Brad Mills, 26
Kyle Drabek, 23

Only the A's got more quality starts this year by pitchers 26 or younger than the Blue Jays (65) did. Morrow threw a 17-strikeout one-hitter and would have led the league in strikeout ratio (10.95 per 9 IP) if the Jays hadn't shut him down on Labor Day. Romero would have gone 14-7, with a 3.25 ERA, if he hadn't allowed 17 runs in five innings in his last two starts before the All-Star break. Cecil won 15 games in a breakout year. And Drabek, the Eastern League Pitcher of the Year, should make an impact at some point next season.

So this group's only issue, much like the Reds, is that "there's no clear-cut No. 1," said one scout. Romero is viewed as an excellent No. 2. That's probably Drabek's upside, too. Cecil tops out as a No. 3. And while Morrow "can dominate, I wouldn't put him ahead of a Price or a Cahill," the same scout said.

ODDS OF ACHIEVING GIANT-HOOD
This is a rotation on the rise and a team building around young players. But this is also a staff that's been dragged down by health issues. And -- stop us if you've heard this before -- it's a lot tougher to sneak into October when you play in the AL East than it is in the NL West. Put the Blue Jays in any other division in baseball, and they'd have all the makings of a Next Year's Giants kind of team. Put them in the AL East, and all we can say is: Lots of luck to you.


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Re: Search for the next Giants of baseball

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:18 pm
by number15
Shaun Marcum is not old either..... he is probably still the #1 guy (at the time). Unless Morrow takes the next step

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:18 am
by gei
Greinke will solve the "no clear cut #1" problem

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:02 pm
by SharoneWright
I'll chip in with some ice-breakers...

Marcum - trade bait
Litsch - not up to the standard - c'ya
Zep - yer perfect! for the bullpen...
Mills - depth - AAA

yep - we're gonna get even younger - Syndergaard - Sanchez - Upper Deck - etc

that said, if we can use a chip like Marcum and another prospect or 2 to upgrade the #1 spot, then that's a great vehicle to obtaining a true ace - with Morrow and Romero as your pocket kings.

and contrary to some - I'd lock up Cecil too - at a reasonable rate. We already know he can pitch in this league, leading the team in wins this year.... he's my floor for this staff,,, a very very nice #5 for years to come.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:39 am
by Chevy Chase
In his wikipedia page, there is a quote from AA that he expects 2011 to be the return of McGowan. Probably in the pen I would assume. He was to be last years opening day starter, and then so quickly forgotten.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:03 pm
by righteous015
I haven't heard of any news about McGowan. Is he gonna be a part of our future any time soon or is he a lost cause? He can still be a sold #4 or #5 guy.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:33 am
by WpgPage
Cant see him starting again if he can ever even pitch again.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 2:12 am
by J-Roc
What is the negative talk about Cecil? Even Richard Griffin when asked who'd be starting by the time we're contending in a couple of years didn't have Cecil. Other than Marcum he was the starter I felt most comfortable with going into a game last season.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:27 pm
by LittleOzzy
Who is Toronto's fifth starter?

With Shaun Marcum, Brett Cecil, Ricky Romero and Brandon Morrow almost a shoe-in for jobs in the rotation, who do you think is in contention for the Blue Jays' No. 5 starter?
-- Alex Q., Whitby, Ontario


The competition for the last spot in the starting rotation is wide open and the club likely won't make a decision until the final week of Spring Training. The first four starters are set in stone -- barring any major injuries -- but there is a trio of starters who are in contention for the final spot.

Top prospect Kyle Drabek would appear to be one of the favorites. The 22-year-old made three starts for Toronto at the end of the 2010 season and went 0-3 with a 4.76 ERA during his first stint at the Major League level.

Drabek was rewarded with that opportunity after he finished an impressive season with Double-A New Hampshire, where the Texas native went 14-9 with a 2.94 ERA. The Blue Jays could opt to use Drabek in their rotation next season, but it will depend on how much he improves during the offseason and how effective he is during Spring Training.

Other candidates include right-hander Jesse Litsch and left-hander Marc Rzepczynski.

Litsch was limited to nine starts in 2010 after his season was cut short by a tear in his right hip. He is expected to be ready for the start of Spring Training, and with four Major League seasons under his belt, he remains a strong candidate for the final spot.

Rzepczynski had a disappointing 2010 campaign. Entering Spring Training, he was a favorite to win a spot in the starting rotation, but an injury derailed that plan and his season never really got back on track. He finished the year 4-4 with a 4.95 ERA over just 63 2/3 innings of work in the Majors.

Following the season, Rzepczynski was sent to the Peoria Javelinas of the Arizona Fall League, where he made six starts and had a 1.16 ERA over 31 innings. If he's able regain some of that old form, the 25-year-old will become a serious contender for the rotation. If not, it's possible he could be sent to the bullpen.


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Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:17 pm
by WpgPage
If Zep can pitch well in the spring I would like to see him in the 5th spot over Drabek, think Kyle would benefit from one more year working on his change-up and 4 seamer in the minors. If he does as well in AAA as he did in AA then we can think about moving one of Marcum, Zep, or Cecil and slotting Drabek into the rotation.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 1:02 am
by baulderdash77
If we make the trade for Grienke then our starting 5 could be right there as the best in baseball, at least a top 5 starting staff.

Grienke
Romero
Marcum
Cecil
Morrow

Top to bottom that's as good as anyone.

Scrabble and Litsch can move to the bullpen and the whole staff is in great shape.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 1:08 am
by hyper316
please not doughboy litsch. i think the spot is drabek's to lose

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 1:33 am
by SolomonSkyHook
Romero
Marcum
Cecil
Morrow
Drabek


Bullpen

2 inning man: Jansen, Litsch
2+ innings: Mills, Rzepczynski
1 inning: Frasor
Lefty Specialist: Carlson, Purcey
Setup/Closer: McGowan
Closer/Setup: Camp


I also think it would be interesting to have some major league ready SP in our bullpen. We may be able to get 4-5 innings out of them during a 3 game series, and use them for different reasons.

Lets just say Rzepczynski was in the bullpen, he could maybe go:
- 2 innings in game 1.
- lefty specialist in game 2.
- then maybe an inning in game 3.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 3:37 am
by rdtx2005
looks like Romero is the de-facto Ace unless we trade for someone.

Romero
Cecil
Morrow
Drabek
someone

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 5:00 am
by ItsDanger
I like Zep as the 5th starter. He's decent against some teams, not so against good hitting teams though. Which means, we can skip him sometimes. If the 5th spot is too good, we have to rest everyone all the time.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 6:34 am
by hyper316
yea, let Zep and Drabek a crack at starting rotation. this will give them a year of pitching in the big league under their belt going forward for 2012 contention

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:22 pm
by zilby
It seems pretty evident we're gonna go for Greinke now.

Greinke
Romero
Morrow
Drabek
someone (Richmond? Zep?)

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 9:34 pm
by OakleyDokely
Romero
Cecil
Morrow
Drabek
Zep

A good but a very young group. But they still need a true #1 to compete in the AL East imo.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Mon Dec 6, 2010 10:23 pm
by WpgPage
OakleyDokely wrote:Romero
Cecil
Morrow
Drabek
Zep

A good but a very young group. But they still need a true #1 to compete in the AL East imo.


I think this will be the rotation by the end of the year but I think Drabek will start in AAA to begin the season if only to start his FA clock a little later. While I agree with you that there is not clear cut ACE pitcher among them I think they can be competitive over the entire season as long as they have a good pen to back them up and a solid team behind them. Then when this group gets you close to the playoffs deal one of them and Prospects for a ACE/and or sign an ACE in FA.

Re: 2011 Jays Starting Rotation Discussion Thread

Posted: Wed Dec 8, 2010 3:17 am
by DonYon
Someone please why some of you rate Zep so highly? (I mean highly as in over guys like Litsch, Mills, etc. as the obvious immediate candidate for the 5th spot)

His stuff seems average across the board, and his delivery & control are shaky. The only positive thing I see about him is that he's tall. What's so great about him?