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OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:34 pm
by LittleOzzy
Josh Hamilton became the fifth Rangers player to win the American League Most Valuable Player Award on Tuesday, outpolling Tigers first baseman Miguel Cabrera and Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano in voting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.
Hamilton received 22 of a possible 28 first-place votes to finish with 358 points. Cabrera received five first-place votes and had 262. Cano had 229. Toronto's Jose Bautista, who slugged 54 home runs, received the other first-place vote but finished fourth.
Hamilton is the first Rangers player to win the award since Alex Rodriguez in 2003. Outfielder Jeff Burroughs was the first Texas player to take the honor in 1974. Outfielder Juan Gonzalez won in 1996 and '98, and catcher Ivan Rodriguez won in 1999.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:36 pm
by hyper316
nice, at least someone considered him as the MVP
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:33 pm
by jim todd
hyper316 wrote:nice, at least someone considered him as the MVP
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:06 pm
by CapeCrusader
I think Cabrera should of got it. But Hamilton prob got it cuz the Rangers made it playoffs/world series.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:34 pm
by Raps in 4
Well deserved IMO.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:54 pm
by Rapcity_11
CapeCrusader wrote:I think Cabrera should of got it. But Hamilton prob got it cuz the Rangers made it playoffs/world series.
How is Cabrera a better candidate than Bautista?
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:02 pm
by hyper316
Rapcity_11 wrote:CapeCrusader wrote:I think Cabrera should of got it. But Hamilton prob got it cuz the Rangers made it playoffs/world series.
How is Cabrera a better candidate than Bautista?
much higher batting average, i haven't checked, but more runs and rbi's?
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:03 pm
by MGD24
Rapcity_11 wrote:CapeCrusader wrote:I think Cabrera should of got it. But Hamilton prob got it cuz the Rangers made it playoffs/world series.
How is Cabrera a better candidate than Bautista?
batting average is 68 points higher
2 more rbis
2 more runs
32 more hits
10 more doubles
42 points higher in OBP
all while playing 11 less games than Bautista
that's probably why he thinks Cabrera was better overall
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:09 pm
by raptorforlife88
Well deserved. Hamilton was putting up numbers that my guy puts up in video games. He's so good at hitting that the fact that he doesn't get on base that much is rendered irrelevant. Usually the high OPS guys have great walk numbers, but he's doing it through pure hitting.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:34 pm
by righteous015
Awesome comeback too. Definitely well deserved.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:02 am
by Rapcity_11
MGD24 wrote:Rapcity_11 wrote:CapeCrusader wrote:I think Cabrera should of got it. But Hamilton prob got it cuz the Rangers made it playoffs/world series.
How is Cabrera a better candidate than Bautista?
batting average is 68 points higher
2 more rbis
2 more runs
32 more hits
10 more doubles
42 points higher in OBP
all while playing 11 less games than Bautista
that's probably why he thinks Cabrera was better overall
BA/RBI's mean almost nothing.
16 more HR's.
Better defensively.
Personally I think they are very close, it just stupid how Cabrera was actually considered a candidate and Bautista really wasn't.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:15 am
by MGD24
Rapcity_11 wrote:
BA/RBI's mean almost nothing.
to who? you?
There were many more categories that Cabrera was better in.
I'm not saying they weren't close but Cabrera was definitely more deserving than the Baus.
Bautista should have got 3rd place I felt though.
Ah well, all 4 had great years.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:31 am
by Rapcity_11
MGD24 wrote:Rapcity_11 wrote:
BA/RBI's mean almost nothing.
to who? you?
There were many more categories that Cabrera was better in.
I'm not saying they weren't close but Cabrera was definitely more deserving than the Baus.
Bautista should have got 3rd place I felt though.
Ah well, all 4 had great years.
Ah to anyone who knows anything about baseball.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:42 am
by WpgPage
No offense man but im pretty sure how many runs you drive in has a pretty direct relation to your teams success and thusly your credentials as an MVP. What stats would you suggest we go off of?
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:41 am
by Rapcity_11
WpgPage wrote:No offense man but im pretty sure how many runs you drive in has a pretty direct relation to your teams success and thusly your credentials as an MVP. What stats would you suggest we go off of?
RBI's are a product of who hits in front of you.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:16 am
by Randle McMurphy
MGD24 wrote:Rapcity_11 wrote:
BA/RBI's mean almost nothing.
to who? you?
And me.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:31 am
by Skin Blues
R/RBI are a function of the team you're on and your spot in the lineup, as much as they are a function of how good a hitter you are. BA only reflects a portion of a hitter's ability to get on base, and doesn't reflect his power. It is useless. Why would anybody use stats with such weak correlation to production when there are so many better stats out there?
That said, usually MVPs are given based on the old fashioned stats. Which along with the fact that Bautista was on a 4th place team, probably contributed to him dropping to 4th place in voting. I was surprised he didn't even get a single 2nd place vote, even though Miggy deserved to be runner-up.
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:04 am
by MGD24
Randle McMurphy wrote:MGD24 wrote:Rapcity_11 wrote:
BA/RBI's mean almost nothing.
to who? you?
And me.
lol well obviously you
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:07 am
by Schad
Skin Blues wrote:That said, usually MVPs are given based on the old fashioned stats. Which along with the fact that Bautista was on a 4th place team, probably contributed to him dropping to 4th place in voting. I was surprised he didn't even get a single 2nd place vote, even though Miggy deserved to be runner-up.
Though in this case, the voters are on the right side of the advanced stats as well...Hamilton led AL hitters in WAR, and Votto led the NL. Viva la revolucion!
Re: OT: Josh Hamilton AL's Most Valuable Player
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:43 am
by DonYon
Schadenfreude wrote:Though in this case, the voters are on the right side of the advanced stats as well...Hamilton led AL hitters in WAR, and Votto led the NL. Viva la revolucion!
I guess they aren't very peaceful people.
...if anyone got that 'joke' please don't kill me