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Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:36 pm
by Rhettmatic
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Blue Jays acquire RHP Carlos Villanueva from Milwaukee for PTBNL
Hardly a ground-breaking move, but thought it was worth posting.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:40 pm
by Schad
Jesus, we really don't need any more power forwards.
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I actually quite like the pickup. Villanueva put up 11.4 K/9 in 50+ innings last year; worth a roll of the dice.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:40 pm
by evilRyu
bullpen reinforcements I s'pose..
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:42 pm
by evilRyu
Schadenfreude wrote:Jesus, we really don't need any more power forwards.
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I actually quite like the pickup. Villanueva put up 11.4 K/9 in 50+ innings last year; worth a roll of the dice.
CV back to T.Dot!!
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:48 pm
by DonYon
any information on his? judging by his stats I guess can I assume he's a fireballer with little movement on his pitches?
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:50 pm
by CapeCrusader
Little risk higher reward for sure.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:51 pm
by dagger
http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=343974
The 27-year-old Villanueva appeared in 50 games for the Brewers last season and posted a 2-0 record with one save and 14 holds. He posted an ERA of 4.61 in 52 2/3 innings while allowing 48 hits with 22 walks and 67 strikeouts.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 7:59 pm
by trwi7
DonYon wrote:I guess can I assume he's a fireballer with little movement on his pitches?
You would assume wrong. He's lucky if he hits 90 with his fastball. Great changeup though.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:12 pm
by Michael Bradley
This definitely has some upside. Villanueva's career numbers as a reliever are pretty decent (4.09 ERA, 275.1 IP, 243 H, 97 BB, 282 K), but he's a bit homer prone and command could be better. He just turned 27. I believe he has two years of service time remaining until he is a FA. Depending on who the PTBNL is, I like the move. His K rate already translates well to a late-inning bullpen role, so it is just a matter of tidying up his other issues. Worth a shot.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:14 pm
by LBJSeizedMyID
He's basically Tallet's replacement as a long reliever who has the ability to start games on an emergency basis. This move is a low risk move with potential high reward. He has really good breaking stuff, but gets burned by the long ball too often because he relies on the fastball to get himself out of trouble.
His name was mentioned as possible reliever roles over the last few years but like Michael said, he's homer prone.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:15 pm
by Randle McMurphy
He's pretty much just as good as Gregg is, except possibly a bit more HR prone.
This is how you build a bullpen...not going out and signing "closers."
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:20 pm
by dagger
Randle McMurphy wrote:He's pretty much just as good as Gregg is, except possibly a bit more HR prone.
This is how you build a bullpen...not going out and signing "closers."
I'd hate to think this guy would close games, and as much as Gregg pisssed me off on a regular basis, I'm not sure I can agree with your appraisal.
http://blogs.thescore.com/mlb/2010/12/0 ... vilanueva/
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:28 pm
by Hoopstarr
We just re-acquired Josh Roenicke
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:30 pm
by trwi7
Randle McMurphy wrote:This is how you build a bullpen...not going out and signing "closers."
Can you tell this to Doug Melvin?
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:30 pm
by Randle McMurphy
dagger wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:He's pretty much just as good as Gregg is, except possibly a bit more HR prone.
This is how you build a bullpen...not going out and signing "closers."
I'd hate to think this guy would close games, and as much as Gregg pisssed me off on a regular basis, I'm not sure I can agree with your appraisal.
True, Villanueva likely won't (not that I'd have any real problem with it). But that wasn't the point.
Any decent reliever can close games effectively and the Jays have plenty of those already. In fact, it's preferential to use your best relievers for the high leverage situations that save situations frequently aren't, which is why I was glad to have Gregg in that spot last year instead of Downs.
Going out and spending money to fill an overrated role that isn't needed is the last thing the Jays should be doing this offseason.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Fri Dec 3, 2010 8:35 pm
by Randle McMurphy
trwi7 wrote:Randle McMurphy wrote:This is how you build a bullpen...not going out and signing "closers."
Can you tell this to Doug Melvin?
The worst thing that JP Ricciardi ever did here was sign BJ Ryan (even though he was a total badass in the first year) to a pointless 5 year contract because of pressure from the fanbase to get a "real closer."
Such a waste of resources.
Re: Jays acquire Carlos Villanueva
Posted: Sat Dec 4, 2010 3:05 am
by 5DOM
I hope he doesn't become a cancer to our team and the league.