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ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:09 pm
by A-Mac87
On the front page of the mlb setion of espn.com is an article by Buster Onley on the Jays prospect. Its an Insider article so if someone can post a paraphrase (read copy and paste) that would be awesome.
C'mon it's a victimless crime.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:15 pm
by Avenger
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:41 pm
by J-Roc
"I told him we would be open-minded" about Lawrie making the team, Anthopoulos recalled. "He said, 'Hey, when I'm ready, I'm ready.'"
Lawrie is certainly doing his part. How do you tell a guy you'll be open minded, but then he produces and you still send him down? Should be interesting to see how AA plays it and how he goes about keeping Lawrie happy if he sends him down.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:16 pm
by ItsDanger
He needs more time at 3B. Ideally, AA dumps Rivera, moves Bautista to RF and then Lawrie to 3B but not until he's proven he can handle that position. Im not crazy at having Lind & Lawrie at the corners with so little expereince at their respective positions. i.e. if we're serious about competing this season. You dont win the close games with errors.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:18 pm
by Relentless88
Brett Lawrie's reputation preceded him to the Toronto Blue Jays, and the stories were not good. A prima donna, talent evaluators said. A pain in the rear, they said. Very difficult for the organization, they said. After the Milwaukee Brewers traded Lawrie -- the 16th overall pick in the 2008 draft -- for Shaun Marcum at the winter meetings, you could not go up an escalator without hearing another ugly tale about Lawrie.
Alex Anthopoulos, the general manager of the Blue Jays, has been in his job for about 18 months and already has a reputation among his peers for doing exhaustive research, and presumably he heard the same stories as he prepared to make the trade for the infielder. But the Jays' experience with Lawrie has been excellent, Anthopoulos said on Saturday, and Lawrie has been doing excellent work, since being shifted from second base to third base.
It was a good first sign that Lawrie, a native of British Columbia and a former catcher who turned 21 years old in January, was evolving through his baseball experience, and he has continued that evolution since coming to camp, while learning the new position. "Right now, he's doing everything defensively on his physical ability," Anthopoulos said. "He's got some adjustments to make, but we think that'll come with playing time ... Our scouts think he could be an above-average third baseman defensively, over time."
I think we can post 3 paragraphs.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:27 pm
by The_Hater
ItsDanger wrote:He needs more time at 3B. Ideally, AA dumps Rivera, moves Bautista to RF and then Lawrie to 3B but not until he's proven he can handle that position. Im not crazy at having Lind & Lawrie at the corners with so little expereince at their respective positions. i.e. if we're serious about competing this season. You dont win the close games with errors.
Ideally Rivera regains his previous form and becomes a more valuable player/trade chip. There's no rush to get Lawrie up to the majors before he's learned his new position, his time will come.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:54 pm
by ItsDanger
The_Hater wrote:ItsDanger wrote:He needs more time at 3B. Ideally, AA dumps Rivera, moves Bautista to RF and then Lawrie to 3B but not until he's proven he can handle that position. Im not crazy at having Lind & Lawrie at the corners with so little expereince at their respective positions. i.e. if we're serious about competing this season. You dont win the close games with errors.
Ideally Rivera regains his previous form and becomes a more valuable player/trade chip. There's no rush to get Lawrie up to the majors before he's learned his new position, his time will come.
Agreed, thats what I meant as well. Put Lawrie in AAA to learn the ropes defensively and get more at bats against better pitching. My statement is more for the latter part of the season.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:52 am
by Raptorsrock
Can we call him up after a certain date and save a year of control-ability? Just like the Giant did with Buster Posey last year
Tell Lawrie to go down to the minors, work on 3B, and he'll be up in 2 months
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:43 pm
by evilRyu
Raptorsrock wrote:Can we call him up after a certain date and save a year of control-ability? Just like the Giant did with Buster Posey last year
Tell Lawrie to go down to the minors, work on 3B, and he'll be up in 2 months
He just needs around 2 weeks in the minors.
Yes - Lawrie does deserve to start the season with the club, however, the Blue Jays are better off with Brett spending some time at AAA. Adding that extra year of service time makes a big difference. It's also an extra "prime" year that we'll be adding. Keith Law talked about this in his most recent interview
Starts at the 3:00 mark:
http://www.fan590.com/ondemand/media.js ... 71645_8592
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:00 pm
by Mr Swagtastic
Just curious on what you guys think would be a ideal trade chip for him? I mean he looks like a solid prospect and one hell of a guy to bring up but if we did trade him for say a starting pitcher who do you think we could realistically get?
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:18 pm
by rdtx2005
xbl_sucks wrote:Just curious on what you guys think would be a ideal trade chip for him? I mean he looks like a solid prospect and one hell of a guy to bring up but if we did trade him for say a starting pitcher who do you think we could realistically get?
well.. we traded Shaun Marcum for him.. so you'd expect someone of his caliber..
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:26 pm
by mikero
xbl_sucks wrote:Just curious on what you guys think would be a ideal trade chip for him? I mean he looks like a solid prospect and one hell of a guy to bring up but if we did trade him for say a starting pitcher who do you think we could realistically get?
Not that the Jays would ever trade him for a pitcher...
He's worth a 1/2 starter probably. With a couple of extra pieces thrown in he could net a guy like Liriano.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:20 pm
by Mr Swagtastic
Well I am not the biggest Jays fan on here guys like CB4_89, Evil Ryu, Avenger, Raptorsrock and The_Hater are the guys I read when I need info.
Well what I was thinking is you can always use pitching everybody can. I mean people overpay for pitching i.e. AJ Burnett, Ted Lilly, Barry Zito... you get the point. I think if we did dangle out Brett Lawrie and a piece to get a proven young arm to sure up the staring rotation it's a move the Jays should make. Francisco Liriano would be a beast in Toronto but I think his numbers would go up I mean his 0.4 HR's per 9 innings would jump up a bit and I think so would his ERA nothing bad but that's just life playing in the AL East with NY, Boston and Tampa Bay all having really good power hitters. The only thing I think he would need to work on is his walks per 9 it's kinda highish at 3.5.
A starting 5 of Ricky Romero/Liriano/Marcum/Drabek/Litsch (whomever) would be among the best in baseball. I mean you have a lot of work horses and good young talent plus if the power numbers carry over from next year you have one hell of a team.
I am not the biggest stat guy or Blue Jays insider poster like I have stated but I think if you have a guy ranked this high as a prospect why not cash in and make a move for a sure fire thing?
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:10 pm
by Avenger
Liriano's a stud, probably the most underrated pitcher in baseball right now. He'd be the unquestionable ace on the Blue Jays until Morrow can reach his potential. i'd be way more comfortable with him as the #1 than Romero but Liriano has some serious health concerns. He's recovered pretty well from Tommy John but his shoulder has flared up a couple of times and with the amount of sliders he throws he's a pretty serious risk for future arm troubles.
In regards to your general point about selling high on Lawrie, i don't think he's at his peek value at all. He's just changed positions so there's questions about his defence, there's questions about his make up, questions about his power potential and some other things.
And also other than Liriano there just aren't any pitchers on the right side of thirty that teams are looking to move.
Re: ESPN Piece on Brett Lawrie
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:29 pm
by skeetz
xbl_sucks wrote:A starting 5 of Ricky Romero/Liriano/Marcum/Drabek/Litsch (whomever) would be among the best in baseball.?
Lawrie must have just dropped on AA's lap out of the thin blue sky. I knew AA was good but not this good so I take it you meant to say Morrow and not Marcum.