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He stinks..... period


Maybe the Jays want him as a reliever and not to lose him on waivers by sending him down.... but c'mon, how good a reliever can he be?

Do the Jays have a shortage of quality relievers now?

Is this guy gonna carry the bullpin on his back?...... whats up with the love affair

AA didnt care much about a former 1st rounder and one time future closer of the JAYS, David Purcey.... so why so much for Jo-Jo Reyes?

Jo-Jo Reyes is the hidden gem of the Toronto Blue Jays?

number15 wrote:He stinks..... period


Maybe the Jays want him as a reliever and not to lose him on waivers by sending him down.... but c'mon, how good a reliever can he be?

Do the Jays have a shortage of quality relievers now?

Is this guy gonna carry the bullpin on his back?...... whats up with the love affair

AA didnt care much about a former 1st rounder and one time future closer of the JAYS, David Purcey.... so why so much for Jo-Jo Reyes?

Jo-Jo Reyes is the hidden gem of the Toronto Blue Jays?

We have anything but a shortage of quality relievers at the moment. There's really no reason to keep him, though if they do plan to turf him they likely won't make a decision for a couple days.

He's starting again on Tuesday, Farrell said. I'm not surprised. He's basically the 2011 version of Eveland.

him and his options..

Randle McMurphy wrote:He's starting again on Tuesday, Farrell said. I'm not surprised. He's basically the 2011 version of Eveland.

Eveland had potential..... Jo-Jo is garbage and hasent proven anything at any level. He sux in the majors and also in the minors.

I wonder how he ever got to this stage of the league...... probably similarly to how he is being kept on the JAYS roster now..... someone once saw something special in him [cha-ching!]

i seriously dont see why options are keeping him here.... why not Purcey then?

Ya, we need good bullpin!

I would rather have Josh Towers pitching every 5th day.

It has been said many times already, but Rzep being shoved into a bullpen role so Jo Jo can pitch 3 innings almost every time he starts is a damn shame.

Hmm, here's the explanation from Griffin.

The fact is that if Reyes had been or is ever designated for assignment or placed on waivers, he would have been claimed. Reyes is also a personal project of the general manager. He first noticed Reyes when the lefty faced Roy Halladay and the Jays in an interleague matchup. When he made the Braves trade of Alex Gonzalez for Yunel Escobar, AA insisted Reyes be included and in hs first call to Reyes encouraged him to "get back to where he was as a starter." It's not a case of Reyes outperforming Litsch. It's a case of the GM still having faith and not wanting to lose Reyes.

http://thestar.blogs.com/baseball/

Michael Bradley wrote:I would rather have Josh Towers pitching every 5th day.

No, Josh "the Auto-loss" Towers (that season) was really, really bad. We at least seem to have a chance at winning with Reyes. Not through any positives he brought to the game, but still. I'm "happy" to have AA recognize the limits of his personal scouting abilities in a relatively low-leverage situation like this season.

tecumseh18 wrote:Reyes is also a personal project of the general manager.

While I have loved the vast majority of his moves, I'm really starting to worry about this aspect of AA. He tends to lock on to players, and won't stop until he gets them...and he appears to end up invested in them as a result, beyond what they produce. That's not a good trait for a GM.

It's an insult to Josh Towers' legacy as a Jay to compare him to Reyes. At least Towers was good for a while.

tecumseh18 wrote:Hmm, here's the explanation from Griffin.

The fact is that if Reyes had been or is ever designated for assignment or placed on waivers, he would have been claimed. Reyes is also a personal project of the general manager. He first noticed Reyes when the lefty faced Roy Halladay and the Jays in an interleague matchup. When he made the Braves trade of Alex Gonzalez for Yunel Escobar, AA insisted Reyes be included and in hs first call to Reyes encouraged him to "get back to where he was as a starter." It's not a case of Reyes outperforming Litsch. It's a case of the GM still having faith and not wanting to lose Reyes.

http://thestar.blogs.com/baseball/

Michael Bradley wrote:I would rather have Josh Towers pitching every 5th day.

No, Josh "the Auto-loss" Towers (that season) was really, really bad. We at least seem to have a chance at winning with Reyes. Not through any positives he brought to the game, but still. I'm "happy" to have AA recognize the limits of his personal scouting abilities in a relatively low-leverage situation like this season.

Hmmmm.... I went through the game lots of Jojo Reyes and did not find any matchup with him and Halladay. The only one I found was when he pitched 7 innings of a 1-run game against AJ Burnett

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_y ... =280629114

Schadenfreude wrote:... He tends to lock on to players, and won't stop until he gets them...and he appears to end up invested in them as a result, beyond what they produce. That's not a good trait for a GM.

I'm trying to think of another player other then Jojo. Who are the players?

damadmonk wrote:I'm trying to think of another player other then Jojo. Who are the players?

By his own admission, he chased Anthony Gose for a long time (dating back to before the Halladay trade), and it appears to have resulted in a bit of an overpayment. Likewise, he stated that they attempted to trade for Francisco "multiple times" before getting him for Napoli, and the result wasn't particularly pretty.

Jayson Nix is also a player they said they've wanted even last year.

Schad, for every 1 player you named, there are probably tons of players that he has targeted, but was never able to acquire (which he can't admit to). Thus I don't know if it's fair to say that AA "won't stop until he gets them".. I guess we'll just never know.

evilRyu wrote:Jayson Nix is also a player they said they've wanted even last year.

Schad, for every 1 player you named, there are probably tons of players that he has targeted, but was never able to acquire (which he can't admit to). Thus I don't know if it's fair to say that AA "won't stop until he gets them".. I guess we'll just never know.

True, though the concern is that Gose and Francisco were involved in the only trades AA has made that look to have been mistakes, and Reyes is currently occupying a spot in the rotation that he doesn't deserve. It's not a fatal flaw, but something that bears watching.

How is the Gose trade a mistake? We can't judge this trade (Wallace-Gose) for years. Though Wallace is having a pretty good season so far: .388/.458/.529

Could it be that the way AA tells the media how he's always wanted/targed X player for a long time is a way to sell the fans that it wasn't a knee-jerk reaction, and that the player has been heavily researched by their braintrust? Casual fans may not know a Jayson Nix or Anthony Gose.

Schadenfreude wrote:

evilRyu wrote:Jayson Nix is also a player they said they've wanted even last year.

Schad, for every 1 player you named, there are probably tons of players that he has targeted, but was never able to acquire (which he can't admit to). Thus I don't know if it's fair to say that AA "won't stop until he gets them".. I guess we'll just never know.

True, though the concern is that Gose and Francisco were involved in the only trades AA has made that look to have been mistakes, and Reyes is currently occupying a spot in the rotation that he doesn't deserve. It's not a fatal flaw, but something that bears watching.

I don't understand how Gose and Francisco trades were mistakes.

Wallace and Napoli didn't have a place in the majors for them. Gose's potential is much higher than Wallace's. We traded an asset that we really couldn't use (1st base/DH) for a possible CF starter in 2-3 yrs.

The same goes for Napoli (C/DH); just no room for him on the ball club. We were iffy in the pen and we saved some money in dealing him for Francisco.

As for Reyes, this is a move where AA is increasing the "Value" of his team. We still have Cecil on this team. We didn't lose anybody out of our organization. We are trying to develop Reyes as he has the stuff to be a number 2 starter in this league. As much as I like Cecil and Litch, they are middle to end of rotation guys.

Both the Gose and Francisco deals were poor value at the time. It remains to be seen whether they are complete mistakes, but it's hard to see how giving up Mike Napoli for a reliever is going to turn out that well for the Jays.

Randle McMurphy wrote:Both the Gose and Francisco deals were poor value at the time. It remains to be seen whether they are complete mistakes, but it's hard to see how giving up Mike Napoli for a reliever is going to turn out that well for the Jays.

Tough to judge the Gose trade for Wallace. Estimating the value of highly touted prospects is not easy.

This guy seems to sum up what I think of the Francisco/Napoli trade; http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2011/1/25/1956055/why-i-like-the-napoli-trade

Having established that we have two of the exact same type of player (Napoli/E5), and that both aren't needed, we look at Francisco. He is a potential closer, he is dominant vs lefties, he commands under $5 million a year, and was/is a Type A.

Francisco's value increases if we receive a draft pick or two. Napoli wouldn't of in this line up.

Jo-Jo tends to allow the first runner of every inning on base so his value as a lefty specialist out of the pen is questionable. He nibbles way too much - just wouldn't want to bring him in late in a game with runners on.

I'm not one of those guys that thinks Rzep walks on water like Wilner but I can't understand why they didn't give Rzep the 5th starter's spot. He's shown flashes of excellence at the MLB level, he's young, he doesn't seem to be high maintenance (i.e. wouldn't need a personal catcher). It seemed to be a no-brainer at Dunedin but I guess they thought Reyes had more potential.