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Post#1 » by Cyrus » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:59 pm

Is there anyone that has value on your team, that you could see being moved this trade deadline for pieces down the road or such.

What I mean obviously Jose Batistia has value, but we aren't going to trade him, but is there guys who could fetch us something decent and we are willing to move to a contender?

Like Molina? Does he have value, he's hitting basically 300, and doing fairly well as backup. Any of our relief pitching have some value?


Who do you see us actively shopping at this point?
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Post#2 » by mikero » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:08 pm

Villanueva might draw some interest.

I doubt Molina gets moved though. He's a good veteran presence and the return wouldn't be worth it.
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Post#3 » by kwamebargnani » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:12 pm

Out of our bullpen, Dotel could probably bring the most followed by Frasor. FF is an overpaid turd, and Rauch prolly has little to no value throwing BP pitches. E5 could be a trade candidate, but I think that's about it. DFA candidate: Reyes, Patterson.
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Post#4 » by youngLion » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:02 pm

The other day on PTS AA said that he's moving way from trying to acquire prospects and is now focusing on trying to get pieces that can help this year year or next year. I wonder if that'll influence which pieces he tries to move at the deadline.
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Post#5 » by Cyrus » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:07 am

Help with what this year? We ain't making this year, our pitching isn't ready, nor do we have a complete 9 man starting unit yet.
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Post#6 » by flatjacket1 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:55 am

Cyrus wrote:Is there anyone that has value on your team, that you could see being moved this trade deadline for pieces down the road or such.

What I mean obviously Jose Batistia has value, but we aren't going to trade him, but is there guys who could fetch us something decent and we are willing to move to a contender?

Like Molina? Does he have value, he's hitting basically 300, and doing fairly well as backup. Any of our relief pitching have some value?


Who do you see us actively shopping at this point?


I was wondering who we were shopping then I read an article that made a lot of sense to me. Since Dotel would likely accept arbitration due to his high salary this year, he is the only guy in our bullpen that AA can't turn into a compensation pick. So based on that and his decent value I would think we get a few prospects that AA missed in one of the prior drafts that is undervalued by their current team.

Other than that I think anybody in our bullpen or anybody not named Bautista over the age of 30 is available assuming AA feels that the prospect/player is worth more than whatever compensation the player would have netted.

mikero wrote:Villanueva might draw some interest.

I doubt Molina gets moved though. He's a good veteran presence and the return wouldn't be worth it.


I hope we don't move Molina. I hope he becomes a coach here when he retires. JP is young and still learning how to call pitches and get better at that part of the game.

I would love to see him play another 2-3 years here then retired and becoming a coach here.
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Post#7 » by DonYon » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:07 am

I think Aaron Hill could draw some interest
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Post#8 » by flatjacket1 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:16 am

DonYon wrote:I think Aaron Hill could draw some interest


It would redefine "Selling low" however.

I agree though some club might think they know how to "fix him" and offer prospects.
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Post#9 » by Avenger » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:51 am

I'd be shopping Lind pretty hard and see if someone would give us a good young CF or 2B
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Post#10 » by luenell » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:33 am

Avenger wrote:I'd be shopping Lind pretty hard and see if someone would give us a good young CF or 2B


Yeah, lets trade the only other player who can drive in runs other than Bautista
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Post#11 » by flatjacket1 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:16 pm

luenell wrote:
Avenger wrote:I'd be shopping Lind pretty hard and see if someone would give us a good young CF or 2B


Yeah, lets trade the only other player who can drive in runs other than Bautista


I agree if we trade Lind then we should also get rid of Bautista. No point in rebuilding while trying to make the playoffs.
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Post#12 » by Avenger » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:48 pm

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luenell wrote:
Avenger wrote:I'd be shopping Lind pretty hard and see if someone would give us a good young CF or 2B


Yeah, lets trade the only other player who can drive in runs other than Bautista


I agree if we trade Lind then we should also get rid of Bautista. No point in rebuilding while trying to make the playoffs.

Good organizations don't deal in simplistic thinking like Competing = Buying and Rebuilding = Selling. This move would be about filling a big hole and guarding yourself against risk.

We already know what happens with Lind when things go wrong, he becomes one of the worst players in Baseball. Now we can either just blindly hope that Lind never goes back to his 2010 levels or we can be proactive, sell high and control our destiny.
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Post#13 » by BigLeagueChew » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:15 pm

Who plays first base if we trade Lind though? We need a 1st baseman coming back in a trade, or we sign Pujols/Fielders in the offseason but there is definately no guarantees with that. I wouldn't be against trading Lind, for the simple reason that as soon as AA and Beeston think we have the right peices in place, they can swing a deal like the huge mcgriff/fernandez for alomar/carter trade years ago.

Just because Lind is our 2nd most productive hitter doesn't mean we shouldn't trade him, we just need something as productive coming back.
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Post#14 » by luenell » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:20 pm

BigLeagueChew wrote:Who plays first base if we trade Lind though? We need a 1st baseman coming back in a trade, or we sign Pujols/Fielders in the offseason but there is definately no guarantees with that. I wouldn't be against trading Lind, for the simple reason that as soon as AA and Beeston think we have the right peices in place, they can swing a deal like the huge mcgriff/fernandez for alomar/carter trade years ago.

Just because Lind is our 2nd most productive hitter doesn't mean we shouldn't trade him, we just need something as productive coming back.


Which you won't get at a premium position like CF.

Whether anybody likes it or not, 99.9% he isn't going anywhere
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Post#15 » by luenell » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:25 pm

Avenger wrote:I'd be shopping Lind pretty hard and see if someone would give us a good young CF or 2BGood organizations don't deal in simplistic thinking like Competing = Buying and Rebuilding = Selling. This move would be about filling a big hole and guarding yourself against risk.

We already know what happens with Lind when things go wrong, he becomes one of the worst players in Baseball. Now we can either just blindly hope that Lind never goes back to his 2010 levels or we can be proactive, sell high and control our destiny.


Good organizations also don't deal their second best hitter becuase their having a good season.

The goal isn't to win Baseball America's best farm system award every year. Eventually your going to have to have some major league talent on your team
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Post#16 » by Wally West » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:55 pm

I think Dotel may be the only guy moved during the trade deadline this year and maybe our less heralded prospects who our organizations don't see them having a future with our ball club.
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Post#17 » by Randle McMurphy » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:07 pm

I have absolutely no problem with trading Lind to fill in some of the major holes at other positions. It should be very much considered.
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Post#18 » by Avenger » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:25 pm

luenell wrote:
Avenger wrote:I'd be shopping Lind pretty hard and see if someone would give us a good young CF or 2BGood organizations don't deal in simplistic thinking like Competing = Buying and Rebuilding = Selling. This move would be about filling a big hole and guarding yourself against risk.

We already know what happens with Lind when things go wrong, he becomes one of the worst players in Baseball. Now we can either just blindly hope that Lind never goes back to his 2010 levels or we can be proactive, sell high and control our destiny.


Good organizations also don't deal their second best hitter becuase their having a good season.

The goal isn't to win Baseball America's best farm system award every year. Eventually your going to have to have some major league talent on your team

Who said anything about prospects? I would first try to get MLB players first, if nobody's biting i would then go after MLB ready prospects like Jason Kipnis. And this isn't about trading someone simply because he's having a good season, this is about protecting yourself against risk and filling holes at the same times. If Lind is as good as you say he is, then we should get plenty of value for him and oh please don't give me that "he's more valuable to us than anyone else" bs, he's either a good player or he's not.
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Post#19 » by flatjacket1 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:43 pm

Avenger wrote:
luenell wrote:
Avenger wrote:I'd be shopping Lind pretty hard and see if someone would give us a good young CF or 2BGood organizations don't deal in simplistic thinking like Competing = Buying and Rebuilding = Selling. This move would be about filling a big hole and guarding yourself against risk.

We already know what happens with Lind when things go wrong, he becomes one of the worst players in Baseball. Now we can either just blindly hope that Lind never goes back to his 2010 levels or we can be proactive, sell high and control our destiny.


Good organizations also don't deal their second best hitter becuase their having a good season.

The goal isn't to win Baseball America's best farm system award every year. Eventually your going to have to have some major league talent on your team

Who said anything about prospects? I would first try to get MLB players first, if nobody's biting i would then go after MLB ready prospects like Jason Kipnis. And this isn't about trading someone simply because he's having a good season, this is about protecting yourself against risk and filling holes at the same times. If Lind is as good as you say he is, then we should get plenty of value for him and oh please don't give me that "he's more valuable to us than anyone else" bs, he's either a good player or he's not.


Were not getting Rickie Weeks/BJ Upton for Lind. He is a good player but not an All-Star. Why would you take less talent at a different position for the sake of "Filling holes". We are still years away from "Filling holes". I agree that Lind shouldn't be untouchable but I think if you do get a nice package of top tier prospects and you accept it, you really have to start considering trading Jose. Our window of competing and his window of what stage of his career he is are very off. Management has to make a decision. Do we rush now and try to win a championship with Bautista in his prime or do we trade him with an eye on the future?
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Post#20 » by dagger » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:51 pm

flatjacket1 wrote:Were not getting Rickie Weeks/BJ Upton for Lind. He is a good player but not an All-Star. Why would you take less talent at a different position for the sake of "Filling holes". We are still years away from "Filling holes". I agree that Lind shouldn't be untouchable but I think if you do get a nice package of top tier prospects and you accept it, you really have to start considering trading Jose. Our window of competing and his window of what stage of his career he is are very off. Management has to make a decision. Do we rush now and try to win a championship with Bautista in his prime or do we trade him with an eye on the future?


I'm sick and tired of having an eye on the future. First let those cheap bastards try free agency with some real folding money before we trade Jose for prospects to speed a future that never comes. For what I pay for my share of season tickets, I expect more than the crap they have been doling out. If they want us to pay major league prices for perennial mediocrity they should fly all season ticketholders to New Hampshire to watch a series played by real Blue Jays.
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