Jays "STILL" after Wandy Rodriguez (seriously)

[number15]

seriousy dont like this..... Unless the AA plans on getting a sure fire ace, which this team could use, there is no point getting a low rotation guy who will steal a job from a young guy..... A guy with much more potential

Wandy Rodriguez is an average pitcher at best and is HUGELY overpaid for the next 3 season.... which is why Houston wants him out and the JAYS will likely get a cheap deal cause of it

Romero/Morrow/Cecil/Drabek.... that 4 guys that r suppose to be the future. DO we want to give the last spot to Wandy?.... i mean yeh he is better than Litsch, but i am thinking long term. There will be better guys to fill that 5th spot

Wandy is bad idea for AA

just my opinion

[hyper316]

i expect houston to send money and some prospects to get rid of wandy. other than that, there's no reason why AA would want a 32 year-old that doesn't fit the plan

[Homer Jay]

seriousy dont like this..... Unless the AA plans on getting a sure fire ace, which this team could use, there is no point getting a low rotation guy who will steal a job from a young guy..... A guy with much more potential

Wandy Rodriguez is an average pitcher at best and is HUGELY overpaid for the next 3 season.... which is why Houston wants him out and the JAYS will likely get a cheap deal cause of it

Romero/Morrow/Cecil/Drabek.... that 4 guys that r suppose to be the future. DO we want to give the last spot to Wandy?.... i mean yeh he is better than Litsch, but i am thinking long term. There will be better guys to fill that 5th spot

Wandy is bad idea for AA

just my opinion

It is very likely that Drabek won't be ready to go for next year. If we are all in for next year we may need a stop gap and should not not cross our fingers and hope everything goes ok with Drabek. There is nothing wrong with Wandy as a fifth starter. It is better to be in a position of strength now and not being desperate next year.

[mikero]

Other than possibly Drabek, I don't think any other prospects will be able to step into the rotation next season. Even then, I'm sure there will be injuries to open up spots.

Wandy is a decent pitcher, and the free agent pitcher pool this winter isn't very deep. If AA can get him for dirt cheap I have no problem. Maybe they'll even take Teahen.

[Relentless88]

I have no problem with Wandy either. He's a pretty good pitcher, and right now we need help in the rotation. Romero has really been the only consistent starter. Cecil and Morrow look like they're finally coming around and CV is not in the plans long term. Drabek has been terrible in Las Vegas. There's no guarantee that he'll be ready next year.

IMO we need to trade some prospects for a legit ace if we want to contend. That doesn't mean we don't need Wandy. I could see 2-5 as Romero/Morrow/Wandy/Cecil. Hopefully we can find an ace this off season via trade.

[rarefind]

If I was asked weeks ago, I'd say a definitive no would be my response. But Drabek's issues has shown that he may simply need more than a bit of time to get his confidence/control back. Rodriguez will be the 5th starter which is not bad at all. If Houston is taking back Teahen or eating Rodriguez's contract then not a bad move at all. In terms of having too many starters, the Rangers say hello. It has yet to hurt them has it? Internal competition is good, if Wandy was to get bumped to the bullpen then that would mean somebody else earned that spot in the rotation which would be a good thing. Houston realizes Rodriguez has negative value and we'd be compensated for that somehow in the trade either with prospects not on their 40-man roster or with a significant hunk of change.

Mainly, Rodriguez is a decent arm and for the first time in many years would give us a 5th pitcher in the rotation who could potentially have a winning record when he takes the mound. As opposed of course to the likes of Reyes and Eveland who weren't worth their weight in baseballs. Curious though to see what happens with McGowan though.

edit: I'd rather see us trade for a more legit starter even if the price is much more to be honest, James Shields if Tampa can overlook the whole don't trade a starter within your division would not be horrible if the price was right.

[CapeCrusader]

Depending on the deal I wouldn't mind Wandy.

[damadmonk]

The Jays would be the THIRD wheel in this deal. Like Jackson from the Sox to the Cards.

Likely to get a prospect (players that wouldnt need to pass waivers).

[Weems]

I really don't like the prospect of him playing in the AL East and also feel he's paid over his market value. If this affects future moves then I really don't like it, otherwise I'll trust AA's best judgement.

[DonYon]

Is it even possible to do a three-way trade on a waivers?

like most of you said I don't mind the player, I'd just like to know what the price tag is

[satyr9]

I don't like what he's earning and when I've seen him pitch I'm not blown away, but the guy is a bonafide starter. He's in the top 50 in almost every reasonable category for guys with 80+ IP this year (133 guys so almost 5 starters each), hard to justify calling him a 5th starter at that point. He's basically got identical numbers to Clay Buchholz, but with significantly better K and BB rates (way crappier G/F ratio though).

I see 3 spots for next year taken and I have no idea what to expect from Drabek. Since you need 6, maybe 7 starters anyway, I'll take Wandy if the price is basically nothing 'cause we're eating the salary and trust that AA can take off the deal if he needs to in the future. Maybe that's the kind of confident assumption I shouldn't be making, but 3.50 ERA, 1.30 WHIP in 122 IP with an almost 8k/9 plays in pretty much every MLB rotation and if it only costs money and you've got money, I'm not sure I see the downside.

Obviously, not the sexiest pick-up and I'd say the odds are against it happening because HOU will want some return, but I'm not as afraid of this potential move as others seem to be. If he'd waive the player option vesting for the last year or if they'd eat Teahen in return, I'd start to be really interested. Basically, he's not elite, but to acquire a true top-end (not ace 'cause that's almost impossible) starter, then the difference in cost versus the difference in performance is an enormous premium and this seems like you could get a good deal for a solid 180 IP that keeps you in ballgames.

[Avenger]

Wandy is no worse of a pitcher than CJ Wilson who is set to be the best pitcher in the Free Agent market this winter. 12 million a year for three more years is palatable if the Astros don't ask for any serious prospects

[Wo1verine]

Only thing is CJ faces better lineups plus the DH where as Wandy obviously doesn't..
With 3/36? left on deal i think it'd be better spent towards a better player.

[Lateral Quicks]

He'd be a pretty decent pickup. I'd like it if they ate salary and/or took Teahen back and/or added a prospect.

[Sifu]

Wandy seems to be okay, not a stud, but based on his performance this year he's a borderline #2 or a solid #3 starter for NL teams. On the Jays he'll be a competitive #4.

He may be capable of posting a solid era in the low 4s. If you consider that the Jays fifth starter would be Jo Jo Reyes (dfa'd and with the Orioles), and he's had 20 starts thus far posting an era of 5.40, we're looking at a solid 1 run per game improvement. Based on the pythagorean W/L formula the Jays are currently projected to have a 56-52 record. A 20 run improvement on runs allowed will make this a projected 58-50 (based on 1 run per game improvement x 20 starts), and a 59-49 record based on a 1.5 run per game improvement.

That's not shabby. Of course, this assumes that whomever the Jays have as a fifth starter next year or the rest of this year is as bad as JoJo Reyes.

[Illuminati_]

Always thought Wandy was one of the most underrated pitchers the last 3 seasons. On this team without question he is the 3rd best starter and could compete for 2nd. Cant believe im reading a guy compare Wandy to Jose Reyes who has never had success in the majors and thinks Wandy will at least allow a run less per 9 ip.

Our rotation really hasnt been good this year..so how does wandy equate to the worst pitcher on this team on paper. He's an improvment over Cecil and CV.

[Hummus]

Wandy has been a solid, consistent pitcher. The big problem is that Houston signed him way above his deserved pay grade. He is a solid .500 or better pitcher (if he was pitching in front of a team like Texas or Cincinatti, he'd have a winning record every season), and he has solid value - a 2.5 WAR the past two season... The huge problem is that Houston paid him after his 5 WAR season as a front-end of the rotation starter. He's making over $13 million dollars next year, and is on the books for three more years, with a team option for a fourth. That's how much Romero is going to be making his last season of this contract in 2016!

If the details are worked out so that the Jays only take about a 8-9mil/year hit on the remainder of the deal, I wouldn't be against it - so if Tehean is sent the other way it becomes a lot more appetizing. Still, like the rest of you, very uncertain if this is the right direction for the team. However, I do not expect to see Drabek in the starting rotation at the beginning of next year - not with where his confidence and control is now; it's almost unthinkable.

[Randle McMurphy]

I wouldn't be against acquiring Wandy to be their #3 (as all it would seemingly cost is money), but I'd be surprised if they did and I think they should set their sights higher.

[Avenger]

I wouldn't be against acquiring Wandy to be their #3 (as all it would seemingly cost is money), but I'd be surprised if they did and I think they should set their sights higher.

which is where exactly?
The two best pitchers available in free agency this year will be(not counting CC for obvious reasons, he'll reup with the Skanks) CJ Wilson and Yu Darvish

CJ is only one year younger and there's absolutely no reason to believe he's a better pitcher than Wandy. Darvish could be better but he could very easily be much worse than Rodriguez and he's gonna cost 3X as much.

Unless you're talking about trades which will cost us valuable prospects, the best bang for the buck right now on the market might very well be Wandy Rodriguez.

But if you do wanna acquire a starting pitcher through trade, there should be plenty available in the offseason. There are atleast half a dozen quality pitchers that will be free agents after 2012, so teams with no hopes of contending might be looking to trade them

Guys like
Dan Haren
Jered Weaver
Liriano
James Shields
Grienke
Cain
Annibal Sanchez
Jonathan Sanchez

[flatjacket1]

It is very likely that Drabek won't be ready to go for next year.

Drabek will go next year. I was against him skipping AAA this year(I'm against any played skipping AAA), but now that hes back in the minors hes not doing half bad.

Sure he has a high ERA and is getting hit hard, but his walks are decreasing. 4.5 ERA over his last 2 starts which is great when you compare it to 5.58 average runs per game...

I'm a firm believer he should be up next year, barring a trade such as one for "Wandy Rodriguez" which would slot him to start in Vegas.

Either way a trade for this guy is crazy, I doubt any of the rumors are true unless it was like cash or bum prospects. You don't throw together a huge trade for a young "core" piece in Colby then turn around firing another trade for an old decent player.