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Bautista won
Posted: Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:31 pm
by LittleOzzy
Amidst all the late-season debate over who deserves to be the American League MVP, nobody has yet asked the man whose numbers make him the most deserving choice.
So I asked him.
Do you deserve the award?
“That’s a hard question for any person to answer about themselves,” Jose Bautista said. “It’s not for me to say. It’s for other people to look at my accomplishments and decide if I’m deserving or not.”
Which, you’ll agree, is the sort of political answer you’d expect.
Scratch a little harder and you’ll find that while Bautista isn’t printing up campaign signs, he has some clear ideas about how the award should be decided. On that basis, his case is currently the most convincing.
By general media consensus, the MVP is now a three-horse race between Bautista, Yankees centre fielder Curtis Granderson and Tigers starter Justin Verlander. What the media believes is usually a little like a vacuum — without tangible substance.
But since the MVP is voted on by members of the Baseball Writers of America Association, in this one instance what the media thinks is all that matters.
Bautista doesn’t believe that pitchers should be considered for the award, since they already have the Cy Young as a measure of accomplishment.
“It’s the biggest award you can get for an individual offensive performance in all of baseball,” is how Bautista describes the prize. Emphasis on the word “offensive.”
Using that definition, it’s a contest between Bautista and Granderson.
The numbers favour the Jay. Despite having 60 fewer plate appearances than Granderson, Bautista has as many hits, more home runs and half again as many walks.
Bautista’s batting average is nearly 40 points higher; he has the advantage in slugging percentage by 60 points; and he’s staked a 130-percentage point lead in on-base plus slugging. Granderson has had a great year at the plate. Bautista has had a better one.
Granderson leads the league in two categories — runs and RBIs. Both are as much a reflection on the superior quality of his teammates as they are on him. He has better speed, which might be a factor if he played on a small-ball club. He plays on one that’s going to lead baseball in home runs. Defensively, it’s a wash.
If Bautista is going to win, he’s going to win on a stats-based argument. He gets that.
“There’s no lying in the numbers,” Bautista said.
Let’s agree that if this was just about numbers, Bautista wins the award if it’s voted on today.
There is one mitigating factor that may rob him of it. He’s fully aware of it as well.
That is the playoff argument — that no player can be thought of as “most valuable” if he has not pushed his team into a post-season appearance.
“It doesn’t say ‘most valuable player in a playoff team.’ I never read that,” Bautista said. “As a matter of fact, I think in the criteria when the award was originally instituted it said that that’s one of the things people should not look at — whether or not the team was eligible of the playoffs.”
So he’s been thinking about this. And he’s right.
“The MVP need not come from a division winner or other playoff qualifier,” the letter of instruction to voters reads in part.
http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/ ... -s-the-mvp
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2011 2:12 pm
by rdtx2005
and he should win the MVP because he is the best player in baseball
it's just too bad people need to count teams in playoff contention.. if that is indeed the criteria now.. then leave Bautista off the ballet
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2011 3:00 pm
by BigLeagueChew
Something tells me if we compete for a wild card next year and Bautista still has a good season he would get screwed anyways. There's too many writers out there that don't know that the blue jays and bautista even exist. And then there is also the apparent sign stealing thing or him apparently doing steroids before.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2011 3:06 pm
by distracted
BigLeagueChew wrote:Something tells me if we compete for a wild card next year and Bautista still has a good season he would get screwed anyways. There's too many writers out there that don't know that the blue jays and bautista even exist. And then there is also the apparent sign stealing thing or him apparently doing steroids before.
More of this Canadian inferiority complex crap?
The guy had the most all-star votes in history this year.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Thu Sep 8, 2011 3:16 pm
by BigLeagueChew
Those votes were by the fans though not the writers. And each fan can vote 25 times per e-mail address , a writer can only vote once.
I guess what I'm saying is that if Bautista doesn't win MVP this year(which he should), I look forward to us competing next year and Bautista wins MVP even if his numbers aren't standing out as the best.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Fri Sep 9, 2011 3:40 am
by Geddy
ESPN churned out a **** piece recently promoting Granderson as one of the front runners for the MVP. It's only going to get worse with American writers as the season draws to a close because most of them write about Bautista like he's an afterthought.
Reading comments on places like ESPN and Yahoo is depressing as well because most idiot Yankee and Red Sox fans list Bautista as 6 or 7 in the MVP race.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 4:35 pm
by Raps in 4
The MVP should be a purely individual accolade in baseball. It's the only sport where one player can't lead a team to success.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:01 pm
by ItsDanger
The anti-Canadian bias in the US just gets steadily worse yr after yr. (want an example? refer to pre-season Baltimore vs Toronto predictions, pure jokes) So for Jose to win it, he really needs to outperform everyone else by a healthy margin. I agree that a pitcher shouldnt win the award as there is a separate award for pitchers. I also agree that playoff contention shouldnt be a factor as well. In the end, I dont think there is a clear winner here as you could give it to several different players.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:27 am
by Geddy
I know some of those old-timers who will vote will stick to the old fashioned stats, so if Jose can make a little run in terms of RBI and Runs, while keeping his average up he should be the clear cut winner.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:54 pm
by Krylian
Bautista has had his struggles in the 2nd half. Finishing strong is important...and Bausista hasn't been as good as some of the other players that are finishing the season with a bang.
Bautista has had a great year...no doubt...but when it's time to vote, August and September will be fresh in the voters minds, not April and May. Whether that's right or wrong is a separate argument.
Re: Bautista won
Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:47 pm
by JN
Whoever wins the MVP there will be tonnes of whine afterwards.
Detroit fans will have the pitcher angle.
Yankee fans truly believe they do not get MVP's because everybody hates them. They point back to Jeter a few years back.
Red Sox fans will complain about the split vote, and that one again they get disrespected.
Jays fans will complain about the Anti-Canada vote or that being on a playoff level team should not matter.
Should be interesting.