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I think that Edwin Jackson is a guy that we're realistically going to get this off season. While I would like Darvish or CJ Wilson I think that we're going to be disappointed when they go somewhere else.

Jackson is a very realistic fall back option. He's not going to set the world on fire but he's a clear cut #3 starter who can bring stability to the lineup. You know he's going to give you 200 IP and an ERA below 3 and he's still only 28 years old.

He's probably going to get a contract in the range of 4 years @ 7 per season and he would be an upgrade for us.

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Is a solid starting 5 to begin the season for us.

ERA below 3? Also he will get more than that he made 8.75 this year I see him closer to 4 / 37 mil but who knows. I could see him being a solid #4 starter on a quality staff and I wouldn't be against signing him at all but I don't think that's the direction AA will go.

Err. ERA below 4. I meant ERA in the 3's.

I think he's looking for a lot more than 7 mil per year. Wouldn't surprise me if he got a 3 yr/45 or 4 yr/60 mil contract.

I'd much rather invest a bit extra in a legit #1 or 2 starter. If not Darvish this year, there are some good options next year in free agency.

There's no way Jackson gets $15 million per season. He's not anywhere near that level. He'll be lucky to get $10 mil per season.

A comparable pitcher is Chad Billingsly who got 35 /3 during his final year of team control I would expect a little more $$ overall but spread out a bit more so something like 39-45 / 4 with 3 mil of that being a buyout on a 5th year.

baulderdash77 wrote:There's no way Jackson gets $15 million per season. He's not anywhere near that level. He'll be lucky to get $10 mil per season.

I don't believe Jackson will get any less than $10 million a season. I agree with around 13-15M. A starter who can pitch 200 innings a season at under 3.8 ERA with a no hitter under his belt is worth more than 7M. He had a better season than Morrow did.

baulderdash77 wrote:There's no way Jackson gets $15 million per season. He's not anywhere near that level. He'll be lucky to get $10 mil per season.

Is he worth it? Absolutely not. But it's a very weak free agent pitcher pool with a lot of desperate teams. Just look at what Lackey got a couple years ago in a similar situation, with similar stats.

Even Jake Westbrook got 16.5 mil/2 yrs last offseason.

As I said when we acquired him briefly, I actually think Edwin Jackson is a pretty good pitcher. He would fill the #3 spot in the rotation pretty well, as would a guy like Mark Buerhle.

However, if this team is going to spend money on the major league payroll, I'd prefer that they spend it on elite players or guys that could be elite players (Darvish, Wilson).

I remember reading somewhere that AA is looking for a top tier starter, not somebody at the back end of the rotation.

Jays are already loaded when it comes to back end starters. The system is stacked with pitcher that can handle the back end of the rotation next season and do a fine job, with potential to climb the ranks in the future. No need to way over pay for an at best #3 starter on any other team than Toronto....... if AA was outright going for it all next season then maybe, but now it makes no sense.

However, I agree, Edwin Jackson is gonna get paid handsomely by someone this winter...... in a week market pitchers of his stature tend to get paid big. Its been proven over the years and plus he's got Scott Boras with him

Randle McMurphy wrote:As I said when we acquired him briefly, I actually think Edwin Jackson is a pretty good pitcher. He would fill the #3 spot in the rotation pretty well, as would a guy like Mark Buerhle.

However, if this team is going to spend money on the major league payroll, I'd prefer that they spend it on elite players or guys that could be elite players (Darvish, Wilson).

Edwin Jackson has an almost identical xFIP to CJ Wilson over the last two years since Wilson has been in the rotation. In terms of who those numbers were against, there's not much of a difference, both have done it in hitter friendly ball parks against mediocre offenses. Jackson is also three years younger with a good history of being a work horse.

His age is part of the reason Jackson seems to be underrated, he made the big leagues at a very early age and he was either mediocre or bad for a few years and people just forgot about him. In reality he just took time to develop as a pitcher, his mediocre track record before 2010 should not count against him too much

If you can get for three years or less at an annual salary of less than 12-13 million, its probably gonna be the smartest investment of the offseason. To me CJ Wilson is probably the riskiest player in free agency after Prince Fielder, there's very good chance that he goes down the road of AJ Burnett and John Lackey

Avenger wrote:If you can get for three years or less at an annual salary of less than 12-13 million, its probably gonna be the smartest investment of the offseason. To me CJ Wilson is probably the riskiest player in free agency after Prince Fielder, there's very good chance that he goes down the road of AJ Burnett and John Lackey

i agree that CJ Wilson is risky.... but i take him over Edwin Jackson if im going after a pitcher and I believe AA would also. Both guys r gonna be paid like crazy, Jackson will be near if not right at Wilson's salary level when all is said and done and knowing that u take a bit of a risk with Wilson, who isent too old himself i still take him. Remember once Wilson signs, the attention shifts and teams will desperately throw money at Jackson. AA dosent mind a "high reward, medium risk" in Wilson type over a safer guy like Jackson who will max out at #3 in any respectable rotation.

Wilson has not impressed me at all in the playoffs. Let Texas keep him.

number15 wrote:

Avenger wrote:If you can get for three years or less at an annual salary of less than 12-13 million, its probably gonna be the smartest investment of the offseason. To me CJ Wilson is probably the riskiest player in free agency after Prince Fielder, there's very good chance that he goes down the road of AJ Burnett and John Lackey

i agree that CJ Wilson is risky.... but i take him over Edwin Jackson if im going after a pitcher and I believe AA would also. Both guys r gonna be paid like crazy, Jackson will be near if not right at Wilson's salary level when all is said and done and knowing that u take a bit of a risk with Wilson, who isent too old himself i still take him. Remember once Wilson signs, the attention shifts and teams will desperately throw money at Jackson. AA dosent mind a "high reward, medium risk" in Wilson type over a safer guy like Jackson who will max out at #3 in any respectable rotation.

Jackson is a true #3 starter on pretty much any contending team. On our team right now he could be the #2 starter- he would have had the 2nd best season this year of any of our starters for sure.

We have a lot of potential but not a lot of results so far. Morrow could be a #2 starter but right now is more like a #3 starter, Alvarez could be a #1 starter or more likely a #2 starter but right now he's a #3/#4 starter.

It is a fact that we need a 200 inning, 3.xx ERA starter as our #1 team need right now. There's only going to be a few of those on the market (Wilson, Buehrle, Jackson) and only 1 Yu Darvish. If we're going to improve next season there's not a lot of options to upgrade.

dont get me wrong, Jays need to improve and if AA ends up with either one of Wilson, Jackson, Buehrle, Darvish, thats a better than what we have now..... but we gotta over pay for them. So if its anything long term, I dunno.

Also on not being impressed by Wilson.... I see him as an ace on the Rangers like how Shaun Marcum was an ace on the Jays. He is an elite #2, if u can imagine what im saying. He can be ace material but as a #2 he is best. Hell if Milwakee didnt have Gallardo/Grienke Marcum would be challenging for the #1 spot there and likely couls succeed if Brewers could put a rotation behind him like Texas has behind Wilson. They are more than solid.

*** Wilson is a rich man's Shaun Marcum

WpgPage wrote:http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/free-agent-stock-watch-edwin-jackson.html

don't expect the Yankees and Red Sox to seriously enter the mix. I could see the Orioles, Blue Jays, Royals, Twins, Marlins, Nationals, Cubs, Pirates, and Rockies as matches for Jackson instead.

I fully expect the Red Sox and more likely Yankees to pursue Edwin Jackson as soon as the big fish, CJ Wilson is out of the water.

- He is ideal for the Yankees, who need secondary pitching. Their rotation is a mess after Sabathia and emerging Nova. Cashman will try to upgrade and after Wilson, Jackson is the top target. With the offense like the Yankees possess he could be a legit #3 on a winning team. I mean that offense carried a team with such a garbage rotation...... oh, and if its NYY, you bet he's getting a huge new deal.

- Boston would look for him as a back of the rotation guy. Lackey is gone from what I hear. You can never count the Red Sox out after such a horrible season. They will go after many different FAs and trades. I dont expect a mega deal like Crawford last offseason, but they will be bold. Jackson just makes sense to them.

just my take....