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This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:53 pm
by dagger
Rogers will begin spending the day this market demands it

Rogers will begin spending the day the media in this market calls them

Rogers will begin spending the day the last person who was willing to be patient for 19 years calls them on it

Rogers will begin spending the day everyone realizes that it won't be any easier and certainly not any cheaper to sign big name free agents in two, three, four years time

Rogers will begin spending when it realizes the entire Toronto market is fed up with its refusal to give one of the brightest general managers all the tools he needs to give us a contender

In the meantime, I give you how it's being done in Washington. When our pansy media stops playing nice with Big Daddy Rogers, and lays it out for the city this way, we'll get action. Coincidence, I'm sure, but action followed in Washington just hours after this was published.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/na ... tml?sub=AR


Thomas Boswell
Columnist
Nationals have more cash coming in, but refuse to spend it

The Washington Post - After making the Nationals respectable in two seasons, General Manager Mike Rizzo said the team was a player or two away from contention. But it seems ownership has not opened the purse strings to sign any significant players.

Now, half the winter merchandise is off the shelves, Rizzo is empty-handed, and the Nats could end up with one of game’s worst offseasons.

Other teams act when fresh cash is coming — either because of a new ballpark, such as the Marlins, or a new TV deal, which helped the Angels and Rangers justify their current big spending on Albert Pujols and Darvish, respectively.

Three weeks ago, the Nats had so many possibilities for improvement in so many areas and through so many different methods. But until you make your first moves, you can’t get to the rest of the puzzle.

Instead, they’ve done nothing except sign washed-up center fielder Mike Cameron, 39, to a minor league deal. Was that a flare from Rizzo? Venezuela rescued Wilson Ramos in two days; who’ll free the Nats’ GM?

In baseball, no pitfall is more common than becoming infatuated with your own young, unproven, inexpensive players. For example, you look at Ross Detwiler, Brad Peacock and Tommy Milone and figure one of them most likely will become a 100-game winner. Sorry, tilt! Not how it works. They’re nice prospects. But odds are that none ever has a 15-win season. Buehrle and Oswalt already have won 161 and 159 games, respectively — and each may win 50 more.

The other classic snare for owners is to delude themselves that spending huge sums will be much easier — so much “clearer” — in some vague future year when the free agent grass is greener. Most years, the Nats blundered both ways. They’re halfway to doing it again.


When your GM, in two years, has taken your pitching staff from the 28th-best ERA in baseball (5.00) to seventh-best (3.58), and he says, “We need a top-of-the-rotation starter to go with Strasburg and Zimmermann,” the only correct answer is, “Thank you for turning our hideous pitching into a strength so quickly — all pre-Strasburg — while also developing such a promising pipeline. Looks good to us, but if you think we need even more pitching, what do we know? Go do it.”

However, here’s what’s worse that not opening the checkbook for free agents — and it’s what I suspect is happening now. If your baseball people say: “We finally have the prospects to trade for a key piece. We’ll have to give up lots of promising cheap labor and we’ll have to pay the new star immediately. But it’s the right move,” then the owner should say, “Yes!”

A timely “yes,” a strong predisposition to trust the recommendations of top executives, is exactly what the Lerners have never provided the Nats. It remains their flaw. It’s always the same: Start from zero and build an ironclad logical case, full of slides and graphics, so Ted will cut the check. Many who’ve worked for the Nats say the same thing, in the same words: Their toughest negotiation isn’t with agent Scott Boras but with Ted Lerner.

Perhaps Nationals fans should apply a similarly high threshold of proof before they sign their checks to the team. Make the club demonstrate its case. Enact the winter strategy they so clearly laid out. And, with tens of millions of new TV dollars a year about to rush through the front door, it’s a plan the team can obviously afford — but, so far, has done absolutely nothing to execute.
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Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:59 pm
by guvernator
Washington just gutted their farm system for a middle of the rotation starter, you dingus. Go finish bargnani's biography because baseball ain't your thang.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:00 pm
by dagger
guvernator wrote:Washington just gutted their farm system for a middle of the rotation starter, you dingus. Go finish bargnani's biography because baseball ain't your thang.



I can count to 19 which is seemingly more than you can do.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:06 pm
by guvernator
dagger wrote:
guvernator wrote:Washington just gutted their farm system for a middle of the rotation starter, you dingus. Go finish bargnani's biography because baseball ain't your thang.



I can count to 19 which is seemingly more than you can do.


I know. You would need atleast 19 words to profess your love for the Italian nowitzki.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:10 pm
by dagger
guvernator wrote:
dagger wrote:
guvernator wrote:Washington just gutted their farm system for a middle of the rotation starter, you dingus. Go finish bargnani's biography because baseball ain't your thang.



I can count to 19 which is seemingly more than you can do.


I know. You would need atleast 19 words to profess your love for the Italian nowitzki.


You seem pretty weak if you can't make a baseball argument. Go shine Nadir Mohammed's shoes.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:16 pm
by Truthrising
guvernator wrote:Washington just gutted their farm system for a middle of the rotation starter, you dingus. Go finish bargnani's biography because baseball ain't your thang.

Name calling will not be tolerated in this forum.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:16 pm
by guvernator
dagger wrote:
guvernator wrote:
dagger wrote:
I can count to 19 which is seemingly more than you can do.


I know. You would need atleast 19 words to profess your love for the Italian nowitzki.


You seem pretty weak if you can't make a baseball argument. Go shine Nadir Mohammed's shoes.


:roll:
9 years of trolling on a message board and this is all you got?

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:19 pm
by Schad
Washington is **** not because they became enamoured with cheap young players, but rather because they seemingly have no direction. They spend $140m on Jayson Werth to pacify the fans (an absolute disaster that will haunt the team for half a decade), but don't follow up by increasing payroll. They draft aggressively, then turn around and ship a bunch of those prospects for a middling starter in Gio Gonzalez, when they're quite a distance from competing in the NL East.

Their problem is that they simply cannot stay on the same path for more than 15 minutes.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:23 pm
by dagger
I'm not a sap who believes all the spoon-fed Pablum.

Teams around baseball are getting big new TV contracts from networks. As soon as Toronto fans accept that Rogers' national rights and vertical integration means it is poised to make an OPEC fortune off of the Jays while hiding it from the public by burying it in its conglomerate results, then there will be a backlash from the fans and media. In the face of a backlash, Rogers might have no choice but to spend

So like it or not, I'm going to be relentless in calling them out because I'm not naive enough to accept the Pablum that we have to be a low payroll team, a small market team despite a huge regional population and national following.

I'm not naive enough to believe this team should be spending a dollar less than that cheap, thieving bastard, Jeffrey Loria, is spending on Miami

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:25 pm
by Schad
In this thread, Dagger touches himself to the thought of his own understanding of the Jays' situation.

And with that, I bid the board adieu for a long time. The utter lack of anything approaching discussion here has gotten absurd.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:30 pm
by Trilogy
Can you be relentless somewhere else?

Seriously, I get the Rogers is cheap narrative which definitely has certain truths to it, but your derailing every damn conversation on this forum to work your angle.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:31 pm
by MikeM
mmmmm Pablum...

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:43 pm
by Relentless88
Schadenfreude wrote:In this thread, Dagger touches himself to the thought of his own understanding of the Jays' situation.

And with that, I bid the board adieu for a long time. The utter lack of anything approaching discussion here has gotten absurd.


Woah, the Darvish thing has turned this entire board upside down....civil war!

Dagger's goal is very clear; turn this board into the Raps board?

You can't just leave like that Schad...you've got moderator responsibilities!

Anyways, the board will be back to normal once we make a prominent FA signing or trade.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:57 pm
by Singh is King
Schadenfreude wrote:In this thread, Dagger touches himself to the thought of his own understanding of the Jays' situation.

And with that, I bid the board adieu for a long time. The utter lack of anything approaching discussion here has gotten absurd.


NOOOOOOOO come back, you make this board readable!

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:01 pm
by FreeAgent
It's too bad you can't find a safe-haven anywhere in Jays land. The whole fan base is divided.

I'll grab some some popcorn til Spring Training..

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:01 pm
by A-Mac78
Rogers made 136.7 Million last year in gross profit. The year before they brought in 79mil and the year before 114mil. This is according to their public Income Statement but who knows what they can do with creative accounting.

While the greenbacks continue to stack up you think they could afford 20-25mil per year for Fielder. The fact is they CAN EASILY AFFORD IT and I think we should be holding Rogers accountable.

The guys who have the sign Fielder website have the right idea, we need pitchforks and torches!

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:10 pm
by wbbfan
This is how you ruin a team and get it relocated, washington-style.

This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:14 pm
by CapeCrusader
Well they saved a ton with Vernon off the books. So that alone should give us no problem to sign Fielder to a 6 year deal around 150-155.

Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:24 pm
by LittleOzzy
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Re: This is what you do to ownership, Washington-style

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:28 pm
by Fairview4Life
I would like to pass on the "emulate Washington" plan.