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OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:19 am
by lilneige
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... he-winter/

Major League teams are getting smarter. In prior years, we would have had easy pickings like the Barry Zito contract, the Carlos Lee signing, and even last year’s Vernon Wells acquisition. This year, there were some guys who got too much money, but there weren’t many instances of teams just paying through the nose for guys who just aren’t very good. I considered cutting this list down to just five transactions, honestly, as a few of the back-end ones have a decent chance of turning out okay for their respective teams, or the costs just are small enough that they aren’t really going to negatively effect the franchises in a big way. There were only a few deals this winter that I’d say teams are really going to regret long term. But, I said we’d do 10 of each, so here we go.

Like yesterday, the criteria is expected on field production, cost to acquire, and the impact the move will make in both the short run and long run for the franchise. These moves represent transactions where the team gave up something of legitimate value and, in my estimation, aren’t likely to get enough back in return to justify their investment.

#10 – Twins Sign Matt Capps for 1/4.75M

It’s a one year deal, so there’s no long term cost to the franchise. $5 million spent on another player wouldn’t have changed the Twins fortunes one way or another. But, still, it’s hard to understand why the Twins thought they needed to give Capps this kind of contract. He was a below replacement level reliever last year, watched his strikeout rate drop from 19.3% to 12.4%, and gave up home runs in a park where no one gives up home runs. And yet, only six relievers got larger contracts than Capps this winter. Darren Oliver got less. Francisco Cordero got less. LaTroy Hawkins got less. If the Twins wanted to spend $5 million on their bullpen, they could have gotten two or three decent arms for that. Instead, they got one mediocre arm who will continue to remind them that they could have still had Wilson Ramos instead.

#9 – Royals Sign Bruce Chen For 2/9M

Bruce Chen is 35-years-old and has been a below average pitcher for nearly his entire career, and he showed no real signs of improvement last year – his low ERA was essentially just about preventing hits with men on base. There’s no reason to think that Chen has turned a corner at this point in his career, and he’s still just a generic #5 starter nearing the end of his career. Better pitchers than Chen had to settle for minor league contracts. Meanwhile, the Royals decided to throw money at the type of pitcher that the rest of baseball has learned isn’t worth any kind of guarantee. For a team with a limited budget, efficiency is mandatory, and this isn’t a very good way to spend 10% of their overall budget.

#8 – Rangers Sign Joe Nathan For 2/14M

During his prime, Nathan was one of the best relievers in baseball. Then he had Tommy John surgery, spent a year on the DL, and was essentially a replacement level arm during his first year back on the mound in 2011. The velocity was still there and he still got a decent amount of strikeouts, but his extreme fly ball ways turned into a home run problem, and going to Texas probably isn’t going to alleviate that issue. Nathan’s a decent enough bounce back candidate, but that’s why they invented one year deals with incentives. At 2/14, the Rangers should have gotten a sure thing, but Nathan is a high-risk arm who hasn’t been a good pitcher since 2009. If Texas would have shown a bit more patience, they probably could have ended up with Ryan Madson instead.


Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2012 8:30 am
by lilneige
The author mentioned two transections that Jays made this winter in the section of Matt Capp. I just digged some numbers relating to that point he made.


Matt Capp
Signed 1 yr/$4.75M (12) & 13 team option
2011 ERA+ 95

Darren Oliver
Signed 1 yr/$4.5M (12) & 13 team option
2011 ERA+ 195

Francisco Cordero
Signed 1 yr/$4.5M (12)
2011 ERA+ 160

Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2012 1:56 pm
by LittleOzzy
Please in the future do not quote whole articles.

Edited original post to include just three out of the 10 transactions.


Click the link for more.

Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Thu Feb 9, 2012 2:45 pm
by satyr9
That list should just be the biggest contracts of the offseason, like every freaking year. 10/250 for Pujols is worse than Capps or Nathan or Chen. So is 6/107 for Darvish, and the 6/106 Reyes got.

Should basically be:

1. Pujols
2. Fielder
3. Papelbon - bumped for closer overpay
4. Darvish
5. Reyes
6. Wilson
7. Buehrle
8. Bell - bumped for closer overpay
9. Ramirez
10. Cuddyer -tempted to bump, 'cause this one really was (Please Use More Appropriate Word) for COL

I guess if you factor in trade value plus extension for guys like Gio they probably deserve to be on the list instead and I skipped re-signs like Rollins and CC, but IMO you can't go wrong just taking the top salaries list and using that with some closer funny money exceptions. Free agency is horrible for high-end.

Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:25 am
by flatjacket1
Outside of the next 3 years both Fielder and Pujols will be crippling. If either were available for shorter contracts/less annually I'd say done deal but at the lengths they got, I'm incredibly happy (and proud) to be a Jays fan.

Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:05 pm
by Parataxis
satyr9 wrote:T So is 6/107 for Darvish, and the 6/106 Reyes got.


Green font, I hope.

Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:47 pm
by satyr9
Parataxis wrote:
satyr9 wrote:T So is 6/107 for Darvish, and the 6/106 Reyes got.


Green font, I hope.


Not even a tiny bit.

100M+ for a guy with absolute zero track record in North American pro ball? 100M+ for a guy with an extensive injury history whose value is determined by his legs and you're paying him 'til he's 35?

Now, unlike the Al and Prince signings, there's actually a chance they can earn their contracts, where with the other two it's impossible, but the likelihood is horrible. I love how the standard for FA signings has become if you can imagine a way they can earn their contract, then it must be okay. The top ones you can't even imagine it, but you can say well if they win it's fine, but no one thinks either can actually earn their 200M+ deals in stats delivered on the field.

Reyes is probably the best risk of the bunch, as he's been very consistent when 100% healthy (I'm discounting a down year in 2010 as a guy playing through injury), but if you throw where he signed and the fact they appear to be pissing off their elite SS by moving him to 3rd and stand an incredibly good chance of losing value by having to trade him in the next few years and the best bet of the bunch just got signed by the absolute wrong team. His injury history and Crawford's last season should've been more than enough to keep people away from 6 years for him, but fine at least in a perfect world he can earn his team 100ishM in value.

And Darvish might make me eat my words in some eyes, as he, by all accounts, has the potential to come over and be dominant, but he's being paid to be Lincecum/Kershaw good at the same age with nothing comparable behind it. If the risk pans out, then of course it's great for TEX, but you have to be so incredibly sure of your scouting to offer that money 'cause it's probably the highest risk of being 100% flushed money if he doesn't translate. If I were a GM I'm laughingly okay with letting another GM stake his future and reputation on that deal and if he works out I'm happy for him, but it wouldn't change my mind once on offering it.

Think about this for a moment. The Yankees obviously coveted a young controllable pitcher for their rotation this offseason and instead of aggressively winning a bid on Darvish, they chose to spend top 10 prospect Jesus Montero to get their young starter rather than 100M on Darvish. We can joke about the new cost conscious Yankees, but it's more like they remember what their scouts said about Irabu and Igawa and what happened after they were signed and built a deal around a sane number rather than a winning number. When someone elses bid was insane, they moved on to option B, or C or whatever Pineda was.

So no green font, both those deals are horrifying, they're just not 100% guaranteed to bite their teams, like some of the others on the list. Still the likelihood vs. the amount ranks them right where they should be.

Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:54 pm
by BobbyBoy
JAYS WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!

Re: OT: The 10 Worst Transactions Of The Winter - Fangraph

Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:45 pm
by Secueritae
BobbyBoy wrote:JAYS WILL WIN THE WORLD SERIES!!


Yup in 2045 when the Canadian dollar = $5.00 USD
Imagine Signing a 6 year/90 Million superstar for 6/18m ?
Would be the only way Rogers spends money :lol: