OT: Votto nearing an extension with Reds

[MGD24]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/04/reds-to-extend-joey-votto.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[CapeCrusader]

I knew it, I know its not official but I knew it. He's not like Fielder and Pujols where he would wait till the off season and get all the media attention.

[Kapono]

This makes the decision to not go after Prince an even bigger failure.

facepalm

[dagger]

This makes the decision to not go after Prince an even bigger failure.

facepalm

Yep, and what really got me excited today was an article bigging up Adam Lind as protection for Bautista.

I mean really...

[U_Mad]

cot damn..yesterday i was thinking about a

Lawrie
Bautista
Votto

middle order...well guess that ship has sailed

[TorontoRaptures]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/04/reds-to-extend-joey-votto.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Why's that?

[Schad]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

It's not going to happen...in free agency. There is a lot of risk in this for Cincy; they don't have the payroll flexibility to spend $100m+ unless they are filling their park, because their TV deal is believed to be the worst in all of baseball (at around $10m per year), and it's four years from expiring. There's likely a window of perhaps two years in which they will need to make waves, or start cutting salary. They already have over $60m on the books for next year, covering only eleven players, and not including Brandon Phillips...if the bottom falls out, they're screwed.

Absolutely a worthwhile gamble for the Reds, because they really need to go for it; the NL Central is wide open, and this is their chance to push up their attendance (which has been climbing up a bit after bottoming out in 2009) and perhaps give themselves a case to renegotiate that television deal. If it doesn't, they will need to trade Votto.

[Michael Bradley]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

It's not going to happen...in free agency.

My thoughts exactly. AA was never going to sign Votto. He is against going over five years for any free agent so that eliminated Votto before any signing was even possible.

However, if Votto signs an extension, then that means he can be traded in the future, and a trade means Votto comes at a fixed cost (in years and dollars) and the Jays only have to deal with Cincy to make an agreement work.

I am not expecting Votto to play for the Jays any time soon (or ever), but signing an extension with the Reds makes Votto to the Jays more realistic a few years down the road, not less, IMO. The Jays were never going to sign Votto.

[MGD24]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

Why's that?

Because I'm not a Votto fan and I don't think he is the answer.
Everyone was starting to build him up to be the greatest player ever and he will solve all of our problems. Oh, and he is Canadian (like that should matter at all!)
That type of thinking only leads to disappointment. If he comes here and we don't win immediately, the same people who wanted him here so badly will want him gone just as quick.
Bringing anyone here needs to make financial sense and I think there may be better options than Votto, who is only getting older.

It's not going to happen...in free agency.

Now the trade option makes much more sense to me BUT I still don't see it happening.

[Geddy]

Rogers is probably breathing a sigh of relief at this news.

[dagger]

Rogers is probably breathing a sigh of relief at this news.

My thoughts exactly. They are much happier shipping out big contracts.

[Brinbe]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

Why's that?

Because I'm not a Votto fan and I don't think he is the answer.
Everyone was starting to build him up to be the greatest player ever and he will solve all of our problems. Oh, and he is Canadian (like that should matter at all!)
That type of thinking only leads to disappointment. If he comes here and we don't win immediately, the same people who wanted him here so badly will want him gone just as quick.
Bringing anyone here needs to make financial sense and I think there may be better options than Votto, who is only getting older.

Totally agree, 100%. The Canadian angle is so laughable, and it always seemed like such a marketing gimmick instead of a sound baseball decision. And I'm glad it won't matter now. There will be options out there if Lind doesn't get it done this year.

[Parataxis]

This makes the decision to not go after Prince an even bigger failure.

facepalm

The whole 'let's not sign Prince so we can get Votto in the future' argument was laughable on its face.

[dagger]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

It's not going to happen...in free agency. There is a lot of risk in this for Cincy; they don't have the payroll flexibility to spend $100m+ unless they are filling their park, because their TV deal is believed to be the worst in all of baseball (at around $10m per year), and it's four years from expiring. There's likely a window of perhaps two years in which they will need to make waves, or start cutting salary. They already have over $60m on the books for next year, covering only eleven players, and not including Brandon Phillips...if the bottom falls out, they're screwed.

Absolutely a worthwhile gamble for the Reds, because they really need to go for it; the NL Central is wide open, and this is their chance to push up their attendance (which has been climbing up a bit after bottoming out in 2009) and perhaps give themselves a case to renegotiate that television deal. If it doesn't, they will need to trade Votto.

The deal apparently $200m over 10 years. Don't know more yet, but I can imagine Rogers trading for that deal in two years... NOT.

[Strav]

Now can everyone please STOP with the Votto to Toronto ideas. It's not going to happen! I, for one, am happy that it won't.

It's not going to happen...in free agency. There is a lot of risk in this for Cincy; they don't have the payroll flexibility to spend $100m+ unless they are filling their park, because their TV deal is believed to be the worst in all of baseball (at around $10m per year), and it's four years from expiring. There's likely a window of perhaps two years in which they will need to make waves, or start cutting salary. They already have over $60m on the books for next year, covering only eleven players, and not including Brandon Phillips...if the bottom falls out, they're screwed.

Absolutely a worthwhile gamble for the Reds, because they really need to go for it; the NL Central is wide open, and this is their chance to push up their attendance (which has been climbing up a bit after bottoming out in 2009) and perhaps give themselves a case to renegotiate that television deal. If it doesn't, they will need to trade Votto.

The deal apparently $200m over 10 years. Don't know more yet, but I can imagine Rogers trading for that deal in two years... NOT.

cause signing players to 10 year deals is dumb and I wouldn't blame them. I don't blame them for not going after Prince either given the contract he commanded. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Patience little grasshopper.

[Strav]

Rogers is probably breathing a sigh of relief at this news.

My thoughts exactly. They are much happier shipping out big sh**ty contracts.

corrected.

[Avenger]

This premium on First Basemen is absurd, teams feel the need to force themselves into terrible contracts to keep up with someone else's stupidity. Why does Votto who i love as much as anyone get 250 million when Alex Gordon who put up the exact same WAR of 6.9 gets only 37.5 million guaranteed? They were both under control for the exact same amount of time. Granted Votto has a considerably better track record but is he worth 6 times as much as money as Gordon?

[Parataxis]

cause signing players to 10 year deals is dumb and I wouldn't blame them. I don't blame them for not going after Prince either given the contract he commanded. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Patience little grasshopper.

I"m not quite sure what patience has to do with it. It's not like in a year or two, power-hitting 1Bs will decide to sign for 50/5 out of the goodness of their hearts. The rates for players of that nature is only going up, not down.

If you want to simply make the argument that long contracts are dumb, that's a point you can make - that it's better to be without a player like Fielder or Votto than to guarantee them a decade. But acting like waiting will somehow make a difference is just confusing at best.

[Wally West]

#Reds give star 1B Joey Votto 4th largest deal of all time, 10-years, $225 million. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... o/related/

[tiger7]

#Reds give star 1B Joey Votto 4th largest deal of all time, 10-years, $225 million. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/ ... o/related/

Wow ....that's a lot of dough to throw at just one player. Votto is great but damn.