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Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:53 pm
by J.Kim
https://twitter.com/BlueJays/status/226327894698360834Blue Jays complete 10 player trade with Astros. Major Leaguers Happ and Lyon to Toronto, Cordero and Francisco to Astros. Snider recalled
Re: Trade with Astros (Happ and Lyon to BJs)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:57 pm
by J.Kim
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/a ... trade.htmlThe Astros and Blue Jays have completed a ten-player trade, the teams announced. The Astros obtain seven players from Toronto: Major Leaguers Francisco Cordero and Ben Francisco, minor leaguers Joe Musgrove, Asher Wojciechowski, David Rollins and Carlos Perez, and a player to be named. The Astros send Brandon Lyon, J.A. Happ and David Carpenter to Toronto in the trade.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:00 pm
by MGD24
How amazing is this deal!
The activation of Snider is part of this deal too
Re: Trade with Astros (Happ and Lyon to BJs)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:00 pm
by s e n s i
well there it is
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:02 pm
by Brinbe
Ha, we actually pawned Coco off... Lyon isn't all that great, but Happ could be a good addition if he recovers his Philly form. We'll see on that.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:04 pm
by J.Kim
Happ looks like another classic AA buy-low purchase.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:05 pm
by tiger7
No more Cordero. YES!
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:07 pm
by BigLeagueChew
AA you genius, Happ is arb eligible after this year too , well done sir
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:08 pm
by g_greg
I can get behind any deal that rids us of Coco and Ben Francisco.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:08 pm
by dagger
Gave up two good prospects, but certainly not our best, for some veteran pitching. Doesn't sound like AA is running up the white flag.
Some good things being said about Carpenter.
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
David Carpenter has command issues, but swing and miss stuff. 252 strikeouts in 241 professional IP. #bluejays #astros
Jerry Crasnick @jcrasnick
Some scouts thinks David Carpenter, acquired by #BlueJays in 10-player trade, has closer potential. "Quality arm,'' says one scout.
@Ken_Rosenthal
Carpenter may be key to 10-player deal for #BlueJays. Late-inning potential, 5 more yrs. of control. Lyon potential FA. Happ 2 more yrs arb.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:08 pm
by limegameboy
Happ isn't very good, but we gave up nothing pretty much.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:08 pm
by dagger
g_greg wrote:I can get behind any deal that rids us of Coco and Ben Francisco.
True, but we could have simply shown the door.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:12 pm
by Brinbe
Hmm, I'm torn on losing out on guys like Perez/Wojciechowski, mostly because I don't think Happ's actually all that good. Struggled in a crummy division and now he's pitching in the ALE? meh
and lol, LAST thing this team needs is another pitcher with command issues.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:16 pm
by J.Kim
limegameboy wrote:Happ isn't very good, but we gave up nothing pretty much.
He's a different player from last year who's been hampered by a bit of bad luck. He's throwing his Curveball a bit more, upped his Changeup by a few ticks, and induced more grounders (though a bit unsustainable). His HR/FB has shot up despite the increase in grounders and his BABIP is 30 points higher than his career mark. He's also seen an increase in K% and decrease in BB%.
He might be able to stick as a back end rotation guy?
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:17 pm
by dagger
This feels like a trade designed to keep up appearances that the Jays are still trying to win a wildcard, even if that's unlikely. With attendance up, I suspect AA would rather finish around .500 than let things slide into the tank.
And with the surgeries for Santos, Drabek and Perez, this buys a little insurance for the start of next season.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:26 pm
by -MetA4-
I'm not sure how I feel about this trade honestly. Perez, Musgrove, Woj are outside of our Top 10; but all three have ability (especially Perez and Musgrove). What exactly did we receive? A 4/5 starter and a decent reliever who's a FA at the end of the season. Carpenter seems to have some promise but he's your typical good stuff, erratic command/control reliever.
Its impossibly to evaluate this trade immediately; but we really didn't "steal" anything away here.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:28 pm
by SharoneWright
Should read... Happ/Lyon/Carpenter/and Snider to Toronto.
Re: Trade with Astros (Happ and Lyon to BJs)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:31 pm
by Graham's Cracker
Wow Musgrove, Asher, and Perez.
How many wins do we add just be subtracting CoCo?
J.A Happ has a nice K/9 IP but the HR/9 scares me ( i noticed that Minute Maid is about on par this year as far as park factor HR) and Lyon should be a solid addition to the pen. I don't know much about Carpenter.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:36 pm
by xAIRNESSx
Not a big Happ fan myself. Feels like we gave up a lot of prospects for an average pitcher at best.
Re: Completed Trade w/ Astros (Happ and Lyon to Tor)
Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:40 pm
by RapsFanInVA
I think this is ultimately a wash. We just shuffled some pieces around but allows us to get through the season with our pitching injuries. The fact that CoCo is gone means we won the trade in my book.