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This team is so poorly managed. 

Post#1 » by Yosemite Dan » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:59 pm

I just got to let this out because I'm ready to explode watching this team for the last few weeks. I wasn't happy when John Gibbons was hired. He's a minor league manager at best who no other major league was even remotely interested in since he got canned the first time with the Jays. Of course many here loved it because he's a nice guy and they defended it by saying it doesn;t matter who the manager or coaches are because the jays are so talented every other team will lay down for them so they can march into the playoffs. It's not that they're losing, it's the way they're losing. Most of those losses they haven't even been in the damn game. To think they will all of a sudden turn it on at a moment's notice is foolhardy.

Obviously we all developed a love affair in the offseason because of AA's moves so I was bewildered he would go bargain shopping for the manager. It's painfully apparent the team was reading thier press clippings and it was of utmost importance that the team keep thier wits about them and not develop big heads and think they were the 1927 Yankees in April and that's on the manager to keep the team grounded right from the first day of spring training. It's also painfully apparent Gibbons did nothing of the sort and "let the boys play". That's fine and dandy when the team has been together and have been winning in past years like the Yankees but the team was thrown together and they have no chemistry and you better run a tight ship and instill a philosophy. All I'm seeing is Gibbons and the coaches allowing the team to just hack at every at bat and look totally disjointed defensively.

And forget the injury excuse, we were playing the same uninspired style when Reyes was in the lineup. The Yanks have alot more injuries than we do and it just shows how much better a manager Girardi is over John "Jed Clampett" Gibbons. And to compare them to the Rays crapping out so far means nothing. Madden has a track record and will have his guys playing better with less talent and will finish better than the Jays.

And if this season continues to spiral, AA will not fire Gibbons because he'll look like an idiot. So we'll can coaches and find excuses and it will be another .500 season, if we're lucky.

I'm just pissed because it's not the losing as much as the games are mostly unwatchable because of the Jay's half assed effort and it looks like Gibbons is doing nothing about it and think they will play thier way out of it. I don't see this team employing any strategy. As a manager you have to get thier asses in gear and find ways to motivate them and bench guys who continually hack at the plate every at bat. When the highlight of the season is cheering on a Japanese scrub the you know there are big problems.
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Re: This team is so poorly managed. 

Post#2 » by Schad » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:00 pm

All of that and you really said nothing that relates to the manager. Believe it or not, but hitters don't swing and miss because they aren't motivated enough. Pitchers don't miss with their location because the manager has failed to fire them up sufficiently. We're doing badly because our players are doing badly, end of story.
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Re: This team is so poorly managed. 

Post#3 » by torontoaces04 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:02 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:All of that and you really said nothing that relates to the manager.


Yep. Hope that rant felt good...now back to the game>
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Post#4 » by Randle McMurphy » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:07 pm

Thread reminds me of how Raps fans blame the head coaches for the consistent bad play (Mitchell, Triano, and now Casey). Even more ludicrous here with baseball. But I suppose people need a scapegoat in times like these.
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Re: This team is so poorly managed. 

Post#5 » by Kapono » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:07 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:All of that and you really said nothing that relates to the manager. Believe it or not, but hitters don't swing and miss because they aren't motivated enough. Pitchers don't miss with their location because the manager has failed to fire them up sufficiently. We're doing badly because our players are doing badly, end of story.



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Gibbons has been a strong point. HIs bullpen management has been top notch. By this time last year how many games did we lose due to poor bullpen management (Cordero) and poor base running thanks to Farrell?
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Post#6 » by BigLeagueChew » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:08 pm

GIbbons could catch for us and get a few hits .
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Post#7 » by Yosemite Dan » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:09 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:All of that and you really said nothing that relates to the manager.


Ahh... the way the manager is doing nothing from preventing our hitters from hacking at the plate and not working the count. Making no one accountable. I find it hard to believe that the whole team is in a batting slump with the talent we have. That's a pretty big coincidence that the opposing pitchers have gone 7+ innings numerous times against us and we have had one pitcher do that for our team. Is that another coincidence or are other teams prepared against us while we're not? It's looks like no one is scouting the opposing pitchers and telling our players how to approach an at bat and just letting them "wing it". And it fairly obvious this team is playing with no passion and shouldn't that fall on the manager to get these guys motivated.
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Re: This team is so poorly managed. 

Post#8 » by Schad » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:12 pm

Yosemite Dan wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:All of that and you really said nothing that relates to the manager.


Ahh... the way the manager is doing nothing from preventing our hitters from hacking at the plate and not working the count. Making no one accountable. I find it hard to believe that the whole team is in a batting slump with the talent we have. That's a pretty big coincidence that the opposing pitchers have gone 7+ innings numerous times against us and we have had one pitcher do that for our team. Is that another coincidence or are other teams prepared against us while we're not? It's looks like no one is scouting the opposing pitchers and telling our players how to approach an at bat and just letting them "wing it". And it fairly obvious this team is playing with no passion and shouldn't that fall on the manager to get these guys motivated.


Again: this is not something that relates to the manager. The batting coach, maybe. The manager, no.
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Re: This team is so poorly managed. 

Post#9 » by Osiris » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:13 pm

Yosemite Dan wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:All of that and you really said nothing that relates to the manager.


Ahh... the way the manager is doing nothing from preventing our hitters from hacking at the plate and not working the count. Making no one accountable. I find it hard to believe that the whole team is in a batting slump with the talent we have. That's a pretty big coincidence that the opposing pitchers have gone 7+ innings numerous times against us and we have had one pitcher do that for our team. Is that another coincidence or are other teams prepared against us while we're not? It's looks like no one is scouting the opposing pitchers and telling our players how to approach an at bat and just letting them "wing it". And it fairly obvious this team is playing with no passion and shouldn't that fall on the manager to get these guys motivated.


I agree - we should show no mercy. They are professionals, for crying out loud! More will be found, and will perform. Simple accountability is all that is needed. In the meantime...

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Post#10 » by J Dilla » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:15 pm

I'm not a fan of Gibbons at all, but I think the team's inability to hit the damn ball goes on Chad Motolla.
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Post#11 » by Yosemite Dan » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:20 pm

Schadenfreude wrote:
Yosemite Dan wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:All of that and you really said nothing that relates to the manager.


Ahh... the way the manager is doing nothing from preventing our hitters from hacking at the plate and not working the count. Making no one accountable. I find it hard to believe that the whole team is in a batting slump with the talent we have. That's a pretty big coincidence that the opposing pitchers have gone 7+ innings numerous times against us and we have had one pitcher do that for our team. Is that another coincidence or are other teams prepared against us while we're not? It's looks like no one is scouting the opposing pitchers and telling our players how to approach an at bat and just letting them "wing it". And it fairly obvious this team is playing with no passion and shouldn't that fall on the manager to get these guys motivated.


Again: this is not something that relates to the manager. The batting coach, maybe. The manager, no.


If this team is poorly prepared against almost every starting pitcher they face ( and make them look like Nolan Ryan) in most games and look incredibly tight out there, (and there's no debating that issue at this point) then who has to share much of the blame? If not the manager who is charge of his staff and should be finding out why the team treats thier at bats like a little league team then why have a manager at all? Just let a bunch of coaches run the team. Managing isn't just deciding when to pull a pitcher and figuring out what long releiver to put in after they are already behind by a few runs. All I know is if Farrell was still managing this team and they had this kind of start with this kind of talent everybody here would be calling for his head.
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Post#12 » by Schad » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:24 pm

If you're this committed to not knowing what the actual responsibilities are of the various coaches, there's really no point in arguing this further.
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Post#13 » by Schad » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:30 pm

I'm glad that Gibbons engaged his psychic connection and overhauled their approach...good timing.
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Post#14 » by Tyrone Slothrop » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:36 pm

Amazing job by Gibbons there to tell Melky to hit that ball to where there weren't any fielders. I still don't get why he didn't tell them to do that before.
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Post#15 » by s e n s i » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:40 pm

gibby had to have given one hell of a ray lewis-approved inspirational speech in between the 7th and 8th inning...only explanation for the bats finally awakening
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Post#16 » by J-Roc » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:03 pm

Don't bother Dan. People around here will only blame the likes of "Boneface" and Adam Lind, and injuries.
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Post#17 » by Yosemite Dan » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:12 pm

J-Roc wrote:Don't bother Dan. People around here will only blame the likes of "Boneface" and Adam Lind, and injuries.


Yeah I know. It's like talking to a brick wall with some here. That debacle with the bunt had nothing to do with fundamentals and therefore had nothing to do with Gibby having his team prepared in spring training. In the bottom of the 8th Edwin had full a count with a guy on 1st and 2nd with 2 out and took a huge rip at an outside pitch and of course struck out. He was not swinging for a base hit. Maybe it would be a good idea to tell some of these guys on the on deck circle that maybe it would be a good idea to protect the plate and not want to hit a 3 run homer on every close pitch when a base hit would have been fine. But of course that's not on the manager either because "hey he has to let the guys play because they'll figure it out". It's not his place to keep his team grounded and tell then not every hit needs to be a homer.

It sounds like Wilner post game with a caller. The caller said shouldn't Mattola be somewhat responsible for the anemic batting. Wilner said it's not his fault that the guys aren't hitting and can't take the blame for the hitter's approach at the plate. Really? If he isn't helping with thier approach at the plate then WTF is he there for? To look for swinging hitches at the batting cage all day and make sure they stretch before taking swings?

And is Gibby too stupid to know that their approach is moronic at the plate and doesn't want to rock the boat so he'll let the hitters figure it out? Maybe by August we'll get everything sorted out just in time for next season.
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Post#18 » by Michael Bradley » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:22 pm

Unfortunately, the bad play falls on the players and AA for the roster construction. Gibbons is the least of the team's problems. Lou Pinella would not have screamed enough to make Bonifacio field the ball better, Lind to hit, etc.

The team may end up underachieving the entire season, but it's not going to be because of Gibbons. Hell, if the team storms back and makes the playoffs it will have little to do with Gibby.
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Post#19 » by Fairview4Life » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:32 pm

J-Roc wrote:Don't bother Dan. People around here will only blame the likes of "Boneface" and Adam Lind, and injuries.


I love this post. Allow me to paraphrase your last month on the Blue Jays forum: "People don't disagree with me because I display an immense ignorance of a large swath of topics and provide nothing of value when attempting to communicate with other human beings. It's because I am a realist and they are clearly just homers."

Here's a thought: the people in this thread that disagree with Yosemite Dan were critical of the Jays all afternoon, and have been commenting on the hilariously awful D, and poor hitting all season. They just don't think the Jays are losing baseball games because "Tommy Lasorda" isn't an anagram of "Blue Jays", or whatever other inane thought you've dreamt up this week.

The contrarian stance you take to try and hide your ignorance of basically every topic you comment on is obvious and obnoxious. People don't like you, not because you are a voice of reason and they are incurable homers, but because you are so confidently ignorant it is enormously off putting. Especially when combined with your budding persecution complex. You are the Blue Jays board mosquito. The annoying **** of the animal kingdom, who also sometimes spread malaria.

Go away or smarten up. I don't even know what you are trying to get out of these little wheedling and prodding posts. What, you want Randle to feel...bad about the Blue Jays? Or that the rest season is hopeless on April 20th? What are you aiming for? At least a tool like Mehar is understandable, he just desperately wants recognition from a bunch of anonymous strangers. I have no idea why you choose to post the way you do.
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Post#20 » by The_Hater » Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:47 pm

The OP is completely off base in assessing the blame for the bad start.

That is all.
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